In this episode of the Psych Central Show, hosts Gabe Howard and Vincent M. Wales examine the recent case of Michelle Carter, a young woman in Massachusetts who was tried for involuntary manslaughter in the suicide of her eighteen-year old friend, Conrad Roy, based primarily on a series of text messages and phone calls. In what came as a shock to many, Carter was found guilty. The trial focused on extensive messages between the two, especially in the month leading up to Roy’s death, in which it is shown that the then seventeen-year old Carter went from urging Roy to seek help to actively helping him plan for his own death and, finally, to blatantly urging him to take his own life.

Show Highlights:

[0:34]         The background of the Michelle Carter case.

[2:35]         We live in a country that doesn’t take suicide seriously.

[3:36]         How culpable should a teenager be when it comes to another’s suicide?

[5:51]         Examining some of the text messages leading to Roy’s suicide.

[8:54]         Carter goes from wanting Roy to get help to actively helping plan his death.

[11:58]       What about Carter’s own state of mind?

[14:46]       The turning point – why she was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

[17:26]       How Carter could have handled the situation better.


Listen as Our Hosts Discuss the Michelle Carter Case

“This is a tragic case involving young people and, hopefully, the country learns something from this. That’s really the best, as an advocate, that I can hope for” ~ Gabe Howard

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About The Psych Central Show Podcast Hosts


Gabe Howard is an award-winning writer and speaker who lives with bipolar and anxiety disorders. In addition to hosting The Psych Central Show, Gabe is an associate editor for He also runs an online Facebook community, The Positive Depression/Bipolar Happy Place, and invites you to join.  To work with Gabe, please visit his website,



Vincent M. Wales
 is a former suicide prevention counselor who lives with persistent depressive disorder. In addition to co-hosting The Psych Central Show, Vincent is the author of several award-winning novels and the creator of costumed hero Dynamistress. Visit his websites at and