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Podcast: A Graphic (Novel) Twist on the Personal Recovery Story


In this episode of the Psych Central Show, hosts Gabe Howard and Vincent M. Wales welcome guest Brent Williams, author of Out of the Woods, a graphic novel that tells the story of his battle with depression. Williams, a human rights attorney in New Zealand, “hit a wall” that derailed his life. It took years for him to understand that depression was the cause and what he needed to do about it. He speaks of how journaling was a great help to him in the recovery process and how it led to the idea of doing a graphic novel. He also speaks of how his battle with cancer was “a breeze” compared to fighting depression.

Graphic Novel Show Highlights:

“I was really poorly equipped…a lifetime of helping others meant that I had very few skills to help myself.” ~ Brent Williams

[3:25]               Hitting the wall.

[4:02]               Why it took years to understand that it was depression that was ruining his life.

[9:01]               How journaling helped in his recovery from depression.

[13:43]             Brent talks about the graphic novel process.

[16:27]             Cancer was “a breeze” compared to depression.

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About Our Guest

A New Zealand-native, Brent Williams is a human-rights lawyer, filmmaker, and author of Out of the Woods—a graphic novel which chronicles his personal journey dealing with depression alongside latest research findings and practical self-help strategies. He founded the Wellington Community Law Centre, implemented the Care of Children Act and the Parenting Through Separation Program for the Family Court in NZ, and established the Legal Rights Resources Trust.

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About The Psych Central Show Podcast Hosts


Gabe Howard is an award-winning writer and speaker who lives with bipolar and anxiety disorders. In addition to hosting The Psych Central Show, Gabe is an associate editor for He also runs an online Facebook community, The Positive Depression/Bipolar Happy Place, and invites you to join.  To work with Gabe, please visit his website,



Vincent M. Wales
 is a former suicide prevention counselor who lives with persistent depressive disorder. In addition to co-hosting The Psych Central Show, Vincent is the author of several award-winning novels and the creator of costumed hero Dynamistress. Visit his websites at and





Podcast: A Graphic (Novel) Twist on the Personal Recovery Story

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Gabe Howard

Gabe Howard is an award-winning writer and speaker who lives with bipolar disorder. He is the author of the popular book, Mental Illness is an Asshole and other Observations, available from Amazon; signed copies are also available directly from the author. To learn more about Gabe, please visit his website,

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Howard, G. (2018). Podcast: A Graphic (Novel) Twist on the Personal Recovery Story. Psych Central. Retrieved on October 30, 2020, from
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