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Ep 14: A Bipolar, a Schizophrenic, and Their Mothers

Our mothers are incredibly naive when it comes to what it’s like to live with bipolar and schizophrenia — or are they? In this episode, Gabe interviewed Susan Hammer and Michelle interviewed Susan Howard about their child’s illness.

Each mother was asked the same five questions and given the opportunity to answer in their own words. Then our hosts came together and quizzed each other about how they thought their mothers replied.

Is Michelle’s mother the detached woman Michelle fears? Is Gabe’s mother as clueless and he often says she is? Find out all this and more when our mothers are put on the hot seat!

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“Michelle, are you telling me your mom knows your diagnosis, and you don’t?”
– Gabe Howard


Highlights From ‘We Called Each others Moms’ Episode

[1:50] Question #1: At what age did you suspect Michelle/Gabe was mentally ill?

[5:30] Question #2: When you learned that Michelle/Gabe was sick, what did you first think?

[9:50] Question #3: What is your definition of recovery from schizophrenia/bipolar and does Michelle/Gabe meet your definition?

[13:25] Question #4: In your own words, what is your understanding of Michelle’s/Gabe’s schizophrenia/bipolar?

[18:30] Question #5: When considering all of Michelle’s/Gabe’s accomplishments, as they pertains to mental health advocacy, which one are you the proudest of and why?

[22:30] Gabe and Michelle talk about their moms and their answers to the questions.

A bipolar, A schizophrenic, and a Podcast

Meet The Hosts of #BSPodcast

GABE HOWARD was formally diagnosed with bipolar and anxiety disorders after being committed to a psychiatric hospital in 2003. Now in recovery, Gabe is a prominent mental health activist and host of the award-winning Psych Central Show podcast. He is also an award-winning writer and speaker, traveling nationally to share the humorous, yet educational, story of his bipolar life. To work with Gabe, visit


MICHELLE HAMMER was officially diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 22, but incorrectly diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 18. Michelle is an award-winning mental health advocate who has been featured in press all over the world. In May 2015, Michelle founded the company Schizophrenic.NYC, a mental health clothing line, with the mission of reducing stigma by starting conversations about mental health. She is a firm believer that confidence can get you anywhere. To work with Michelle, visit Schizophrenic.NYC.


Ep 14: A Bipolar, a Schizophrenic, and Their Mothers

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Podcast, N. (2018). Ep 14: A Bipolar, a Schizophrenic, and Their Mothers. Psych Central. Retrieved on October 25, 2020, from
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Last updated: 25 Jul 2018 (Originally: 18 Jun 2018)
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