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	<title>Comments on: Perhaps Why Tiger Woods Cheats</title>
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		<title>By: ver</title>
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		<dc:creator>ver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe communication is a great solution... that and mutual cooperation. Openness to one another is important in marriage.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the real question here should be (it was totally ignored):  why did tiger&#039;s wife commit such extreme domestic violence, with IMPUNITY?  

Reverse the roles and &quot;Dr.&quot; Grohol would have ONLY concentrated on the domestic violence issues, including, &quot;There&#039;s NO Excuse for Abuse!&quot;  

Shoe on other foot - &quot;Dr.&quot; Grohol&#039;s article would have been titled something like, &quot;Why is Tiger so violent?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the real question here should be (it was totally ignored):  why did tiger&#8217;s wife commit such extreme domestic violence, with IMPUNITY?  </p>
<p>Reverse the roles and &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Grohol would have ONLY concentrated on the domestic violence issues, including, &#8220;There&#8217;s NO Excuse for Abuse!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Shoe on other foot &#8211; &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Grohol&#8217;s article would have been titled something like, &#8220;Why is Tiger so violent?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger Woods= classic somatic narcissist with all the toppins.</description>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe some people just aren&#039;t monogamously wired. Most people when they get married and swear fidelity are too young and inexperienced to understand what they&#039;re promising. Sometimes both partners later realize it, can have an open discussion, and have an open/poly relationship, but sometimes that doesn&#039;t happen and one partner is stuck being monogamous without wanting to be and feeling like a sexual hostage in the relationship.

How on &quot;earth&quot; is it right or okay to say: &quot;You can&#039;t sleep with anyone else, but I&#039;m only available to meet your sexual needs when *I* want to meet them.&quot;

It&#039;s not a fun place to be.

The other partner of course &quot;must&quot; automatically get what THEY want, monogamy, cause being open/poly would just stomp all over their personhood. Forget about the needs and desires of the person who can and does either love more than one person at a time, or just needs significant partner variety for sex.

I think the person who suggested sexual addiction is off base. Why is a high sex drive, higher than the baseline, somehow considered a disorder? To be a true ADDICT of anything then ALL you think about is the addiction and trying to feed it. You cannot be a successful golfer AND a sex addict. He wouldn&#039;t be able to practice or play golf. He&#039;d be too consumed with where he was planting his flag next to be able to get a straight shot on the green. I mean come on.

I also get tired of hearing about the moral failing and evil of cheaters. Yes, cheating is wrong, but so is ALL dishonesty. Why does it become such a big deal when it is about sex or someone&#039;s personal feelings? Last time I checked my body and brain belong to me, thanks. This &quot;ownership&quot; model of relationships is getting tired and people need to learn and  understand that many people are not wired this way, but the social contract insists that they follow it if they are to have any type of meaningful relationship at all.

Jealousy and possessiveness are personality flaws, not positive character traits. Modern monogamy is built upon the concepts of jealousy and possessiveness and the idea that if you cannot care about someone if you are sleeping with another.

Try to understand most people aren&#039;t monsters and are taking the best choice they know in a situation where their wants and needs aren&#039;t considered serious, honorable, or worthy of consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe some people just aren&#8217;t monogamously wired. Most people when they get married and swear fidelity are too young and inexperienced to understand what they&#8217;re promising. Sometimes both partners later realize it, can have an open discussion, and have an open/poly relationship, but sometimes that doesn&#8217;t happen and one partner is stuck being monogamous without wanting to be and feeling like a sexual hostage in the relationship.</p>
<p>How on &#8220;earth&#8221; is it right or okay to say: &#8220;You can&#8217;t sleep with anyone else, but I&#8217;m only available to meet your sexual needs when *I* want to meet them.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a fun place to be.</p>
<p>The other partner of course &#8220;must&#8221; automatically get what THEY want, monogamy, cause being open/poly would just stomp all over their personhood. Forget about the needs and desires of the person who can and does either love more than one person at a time, or just needs significant partner variety for sex.</p>
<p>I think the person who suggested sexual addiction is off base. Why is a high sex drive, higher than the baseline, somehow considered a disorder? To be a true ADDICT of anything then ALL you think about is the addiction and trying to feed it. You cannot be a successful golfer AND a sex addict. He wouldn&#8217;t be able to practice or play golf. He&#8217;d be too consumed with where he was planting his flag next to be able to get a straight shot on the green. I mean come on.</p>
<p>I also get tired of hearing about the moral failing and evil of cheaters. Yes, cheating is wrong, but so is ALL dishonesty. Why does it become such a big deal when it is about sex or someone&#8217;s personal feelings? Last time I checked my body and brain belong to me, thanks. This &#8220;ownership&#8221; model of relationships is getting tired and people need to learn and  understand that many people are not wired this way, but the social contract insists that they follow it if they are to have any type of meaningful relationship at all.</p>
<p>Jealousy and possessiveness are personality flaws, not positive character traits. Modern monogamy is built upon the concepts of jealousy and possessiveness and the idea that if you cannot care about someone if you are sleeping with another.</p>
<p>Try to understand most people aren&#8217;t monsters and are taking the best choice they know in a situation where their wants and needs aren&#8217;t considered serious, honorable, or worthy of consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: SWhitbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWhitbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve decided to conduct my own analysis of Tiger Woods based on the framework of my recent book, The Search for Fulfillment, in which I analyzed data from over 180 midlife adults studied from college through their late 50s. You might be interested in this analysis, which is on the Psych Today Blog: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201002/tiger-woods-the-downward-slope
Please send in your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided to conduct my own analysis of Tiger Woods based on the framework of my recent book, The Search for Fulfillment, in which I analyzed data from over 180 midlife adults studied from college through their late 50s. You might be interested in this analysis, which is on the Psych Today Blog: <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201002/tiger-woods-the-downward-slope" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201002/tiger-woods-the-downward-slope</a><br />
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		<title>By: Jay74</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about this research.
No one mentions this reason for cheating, the core of the problem in many cases.
And that is insecurity, the need of confirmation.
I&#039;m sure that if you would have an interview with Tiger, make a psychological profile you would probably find some kind of issue with himself.
You can ask yourself if men aren&#039;t really the weaker sex cause they seem to need it more.
If you are a healthy man, with a good life and loving wife, no issues that play inside than their is no reason to cheat.
Those so called powerful men that do it always come like little insecure boys if you talk to them long enough.
And I say all this because I was a cheater too, when I lost my wife finally I wanted to get to the core of my problem and found it was a deep seeded sence of unworthy, and it is logical.
If you are not completely sure about yourself and someone offers that, if only for 10 minutes you will take it.
If you are you won&#039;t.
I had to completely rebuild myself and found myself and now when someone offers themselves to me it just seems like a really stupid thing to do.
Cheating in hotel rooms, washing your penis in a sink, hiding your phone from your wife doesn&#039;t seem like the thing to do for a secure man in control of his life, now does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about this research.<br />
No one mentions this reason for cheating, the core of the problem in many cases.<br />
And that is insecurity, the need of confirmation.<br />
I&#8217;m sure that if you would have an interview with Tiger, make a psychological profile you would probably find some kind of issue with himself.<br />
You can ask yourself if men aren&#8217;t really the weaker sex cause they seem to need it more.<br />
If you are a healthy man, with a good life and loving wife, no issues that play inside than their is no reason to cheat.<br />
Those so called powerful men that do it always come like little insecure boys if you talk to them long enough.<br />
And I say all this because I was a cheater too, when I lost my wife finally I wanted to get to the core of my problem and found it was a deep seeded sence of unworthy, and it is logical.<br />
If you are not completely sure about yourself and someone offers that, if only for 10 minutes you will take it.<br />
If you are you won&#8217;t.<br />
I had to completely rebuild myself and found myself and now when someone offers themselves to me it just seems like a really stupid thing to do.<br />
Cheating in hotel rooms, washing your penis in a sink, hiding your phone from your wife doesn&#8217;t seem like the thing to do for a secure man in control of his life, now does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Psychologist, Author Tells Us to Shut Up About Tiger Woods &#124; Celebrity Psychings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychologist, Author Tells Us to Shut Up About Tiger Woods &#124; Celebrity Psychings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] information or simply different ways of looking at the situation - include Dr. John Grohol&#8217;s Perhaps Why Tiger Woods Cheats, Christine Stapleton&#8217;s Diagnosing Mental Illness with a Remote in One Hand and a Tabloid in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pop Psych: Woodie: Brings Out the Tiger in You, and You! at Puntabulous</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/12/07/perhaps-why-tiger-woods-cheats/comment-page-1/#comment-638895</link>
		<dc:creator>Pop Psych: Woodie: Brings Out the Tiger in You, and You! at Puntabulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Psychcentral.com reviewed psychological research on cheating and found that many men or women cheat because of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think his behavior has anything to do with his marriage or its communication. As a person looking from the outside, and having had a relationship with someone I later found out was in many ways like Tiger, I&#039;d guess this has everything to do with HIM and nothing to do with his wife or relationship.

from my view, it doesn&#039;t seem like conventional infidelity (the article) applies to this situation. Sex addiction is only about the person with the illness and has nothing to do with the partner. If he is a sex addict, and of course none of us know for sure but it sure seems familar, no matter what his wife says and does, he would still be cheating as much as he could. I don&#039;t believe that article applies to those who are sexually addicted.

If he is addicted, she could act like a porn star in the bedroom and give him sex 10 times a day and he would still cheat. And she could be the most wonderful, loving, supportive spouse..and he would still cheat.

I wish the best for both of them-I hope he gets help, and he can certainly afford the best medical care, but I feel so much for her pain and wish Elin all the strength and peace in the world.

This must be incredibly painful for her.I don&#039;t think she should stand by him in any case-trying to help your sexually addicted partner is the worst and is a long drawn out and painful process and in addition to the cheating, the person is deceptive and dishonest and will betray you over and over and over.

If by virtue you take your wedding vows seriously to support your spouse in illness, one would..but in doing so it might destroy her own well being and even harm the children. I don&#039;t think self sacrifice in that manner is healthy or virtuous either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think his behavior has anything to do with his marriage or its communication. As a person looking from the outside, and having had a relationship with someone I later found out was in many ways like Tiger, I&#8217;d guess this has everything to do with HIM and nothing to do with his wife or relationship.</p>
<p>from my view, it doesn&#8217;t seem like conventional infidelity (the article) applies to this situation. Sex addiction is only about the person with the illness and has nothing to do with the partner. If he is a sex addict, and of course none of us know for sure but it sure seems familar, no matter what his wife says and does, he would still be cheating as much as he could. I don&#8217;t believe that article applies to those who are sexually addicted.</p>
<p>If he is addicted, she could act like a porn star in the bedroom and give him sex 10 times a day and he would still cheat. And she could be the most wonderful, loving, supportive spouse..and he would still cheat.</p>
<p>I wish the best for both of them-I hope he gets help, and he can certainly afford the best medical care, but I feel so much for her pain and wish Elin all the strength and peace in the world.</p>
<p>This must be incredibly painful for her.I don&#8217;t think she should stand by him in any case-trying to help your sexually addicted partner is the worst and is a long drawn out and painful process and in addition to the cheating, the person is deceptive and dishonest and will betray you over and over and over.</p>
<p>If by virtue you take your wedding vows seriously to support your spouse in illness, one would..but in doing so it might destroy her own well being and even harm the children. I don&#8217;t think self sacrifice in that manner is healthy or virtuous either.</p>
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		<title>By: Would A Sex Addiction Diagnosis Offer Tiger Woods &#8220;A Pass&#8221;? &#124; Celebrity Psychings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Would A Sex Addiction Diagnosis Offer Tiger Woods &#8220;A Pass&#8221;? &#124; Celebrity Psychings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sex addiction isn&#8217;t the only answer, of course. As Psych Central&#8217;s Dr. John Grohol pointed out earlier this week, there are numerous reasons for infidelity, and sport psychologist Richard [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think narcissism and selfishness factor into this...not necessarily an excuse of evolutionary development.  Where is the proof of the evolution connection?  There is none.  It is all theory, all supposition.  Why do we base &quot;facts&quot; on a long-shot theory?  When looking for a temporary partner, a solution to one&#039;s marital difficulties, why aren&#039;t other solutions(ie. rather than infidelity)attempted in honor of the marital relationship?  From a myriad of examples in media and personal contact, counseling, etc. are usually not tried first.
I do think there is something to church attendance and belief in accountability to a Supreme Being.  Obviously this doesn&#039;t work for all, but it has been shown to work for the many...  I would not be surprised if the increase in infidelity has tracked with the decrease in church attendance and believing in accountability to a Supreme Being(God).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think narcissism and selfishness factor into this&#8230;not necessarily an excuse of evolutionary development.  Where is the proof of the evolution connection?  There is none.  It is all theory, all supposition.  Why do we base &#8220;facts&#8221; on a long-shot theory?  When looking for a temporary partner, a solution to one&#8217;s marital difficulties, why aren&#8217;t other solutions(ie. rather than infidelity)attempted in honor of the marital relationship?  From a myriad of examples in media and personal contact, counseling, etc. are usually not tried first.<br />
I do think there is something to church attendance and belief in accountability to a Supreme Being.  Obviously this doesn&#8217;t work for all, but it has been shown to work for the many&#8230;  I would not be surprised if the increase in infidelity has tracked with the decrease in church attendance and believing in accountability to a Supreme Being(God).</p>
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		<title>By: psychreader</title>
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		<dc:creator>psychreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would such a successful, attractive man cheat?

Because he&#039;s successful, attractive and a man.

Don&#039;t over think this one.</description>
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<p>Because he&#8217;s successful, attractive and a man.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t over think this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Albert Einstein cheated on his wife. Sex in so many ways is more about power than the actual act itself. People that find themselves in positions of power develop and egotism that is fed by these sexual conquests. This is a machine that feeds upon itself and may ultimately corrupt any individual unless that person is able to recognize it and deal with it. This seems to especially strike people who have grown up spoiled with person power or people have grown in extreme cases of feeling powerless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Albert Einstein cheated on his wife. Sex in so many ways is more about power than the actual act itself. People that find themselves in positions of power develop and egotism that is fed by these sexual conquests. This is a machine that feeds upon itself and may ultimately corrupt any individual unless that person is able to recognize it and deal with it. This seems to especially strike people who have grown up spoiled with person power or people have grown in extreme cases of feeling powerless.</p>
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		<title>By: Behavioral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Behavioral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An economist might say that the opportunity cost (i.e. sex with eager lingerie models)of remaining faithful is higher for Tiger than for most people.</description>
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		<title>By: Kenmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger cheated because he could.</description>
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