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		<title>By: Alleenstaande Moeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alleenstaande Moeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I`m just right next to Riganna`s comment, i`m from Holland and here almost all woman give birth the natural way. Even when a c section is done the mom and baby are directly brouth in toutch for mother-child bonding.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I`m just right next to Riganna`s comment, i`m from Holland and here almost all woman give birth the natural way. Even when a c section is done the mom and baby are directly brouth in toutch for mother-child bonding&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through a terrible bout with PPD several years ago.
This harrowing experience, along with my eventual recovery, inspired me to try to help others who are going through difficult experiences with their health. To that end, I now produce and host a radio show called Wellness TalkRadio. Each week I interview an expert, with the goal of helping others through the advice provided on the show. You may listen to some of my interviews at http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com

My company also produces live video broadcasts that – like my radio show -- are dedicated to helping people solve their health issues. On January 16th, our broadcast, which will be available live over the Internet, will feature clinical psychologist, Dr. Shoshana Bennett, author of Beyond the Blues: Prenatal and Postpartum Depression, a Treatment Manual. In this live video seminar, Dr. Bennett will cover many issues regarding surviving Postpartum Depression, as well as ways to get support and recover. She will take questions via phone and email – and will be geared toward both parents and practitioners.

I hope that you and your blog visitors will be able to join us. You can go to  http://drshoshlive.eventbrite.com/ for more information.  And please feel free to email or call me, as well. My contact information is below.

Kris Costello
http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com
kris@wellnesstalkradio.com
805 717 0795</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through a terrible bout with PPD several years ago.<br />
This harrowing experience, along with my eventual recovery, inspired me to try to help others who are going through difficult experiences with their health. To that end, I now produce and host a radio show called Wellness TalkRadio. Each week I interview an expert, with the goal of helping others through the advice provided on the show. You may listen to some of my interviews at <a href="http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com</a></p>
<p>My company also produces live video broadcasts that – like my radio show &#8212; are dedicated to helping people solve their health issues. On January 16th, our broadcast, which will be available live over the Internet, will feature clinical psychologist, Dr. Shoshana Bennett, author of Beyond the Blues: Prenatal and Postpartum Depression, a Treatment Manual. In this live video seminar, Dr. Bennett will cover many issues regarding surviving Postpartum Depression, as well as ways to get support and recover. She will take questions via phone and email – and will be geared toward both parents and practitioners.</p>
<p>I hope that you and your blog visitors will be able to join us. You can go to  <a href="http://drshoshlive.eventbrite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://drshoshlive.eventbrite.com/</a> for more information.  And please feel free to email or call me, as well. My contact information is below.</p>
<p>Kris Costello<br />
<a href="http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wellnesstalkradio.com</a><br />
<a href="mailto:kris@wellnesstalkradio.com">kris@wellnesstalkradio.com</a><br />
805 717 0795</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Twomey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa Twomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we stop the AFP screening too?  It only helps a few, yet many women worry and don&#039;t even understand what it is for.  Plus it is often inaccurate.
And amniocentisis is invasive and dangerous.  Plus, wouldn&#039;t a positive screening for Downs Syndrome almost certainly either encourage an abortion or cause the woman lots of stress?  Can you imagine the damage of a false positive?
Actually results of Sonogram/Ultrasounds and even the doppler heart monitor all can cause emotional stress and be inaccurate.
Why don&#039;t we stop those screenings? Surely they lead to negative outcomes at times.
And mammograms too, there are now people advocating that we don&#039;t offer screenings for breast cancer until 50 because it &quot;probably&quot; does not save a large % of lives.  
As for me:
My AFP was wrong.
My sonogram/ultrasound was wrong and I was told to consider &quot;selective reduction&quot; (which would have KILLED one or both of my perfectly healthy identical twins)based on the misdiagnosis.
And the doppler heart monitor test was wrong - a few times.
Yet, in the very same office, I was not offered screening for postpartum mood disorders in spite of being very upset.  I had postpartum psychosis and depression. 
Then, at my first routine mammo (offered at age 40), an aggressive invasive cancer was discovered.  I now have a second chance. Had I waited until 50 it would have almost certainly been too late. I did not have any known risk factors - so if it had not been offered, if it had been up to me to request it... I would not have. 
Screenings are not perfect -- BUT -- they SHOULD be offered and available --PARTICULARLY when something is stigmatized.  And if it takes a law to get doctors to OFFER to screen for this disorder - first diagnosed by HIPPOCRATES (yes, it is not new and a careful review of historical literature and documents shows that) - than we should have a law requiring it.
I&#039;m not sure what change those who oppose the MOTHERS Act WOULD seek.  (Although on other websites I&#039;ve seen posts supporting the BANNING of pharmaceuticals for mental illness.)  It is hard to imagine, given the terrible experiences some relate, that they wish to keep things as they are. I&#039;d like to know what change they seek and what they are doing to effect that change. Seriously.  Maybe we can find a meeting of the minds.
Also, in the interest of full disclosure: I DO NOT receive money from Big Pharma. I, like others PSI volunteers, give lots of my own time JUST to help other mothers BECAUSE right now, we volunteers are a PRIMARY resource for moms with postpartum mood disorders.  PSI is the largest and most active grass-roots, volunteer organization offering social support to new moms (as well as education and raising awareness).  It is funded by -- wait for it....
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Mothers and fathers (and some sisters and brothers)who care enough to help struggling mothers and their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we stop the AFP screening too?  It only helps a few, yet many women worry and don&#8217;t even understand what it is for.  Plus it is often inaccurate.<br />
And amniocentisis is invasive and dangerous.  Plus, wouldn&#8217;t a positive screening for Downs Syndrome almost certainly either encourage an abortion or cause the woman lots of stress?  Can you imagine the damage of a false positive?<br />
Actually results of Sonogram/Ultrasounds and even the doppler heart monitor all can cause emotional stress and be inaccurate.<br />
Why don&#8217;t we stop those screenings? Surely they lead to negative outcomes at times.<br />
And mammograms too, there are now people advocating that we don&#8217;t offer screenings for breast cancer until 50 because it &#8220;probably&#8221; does not save a large % of lives.<br />
As for me:<br />
My AFP was wrong.<br />
My sonogram/ultrasound was wrong and I was told to consider &#8220;selective reduction&#8221; (which would have KILLED one or both of my perfectly healthy identical twins)based on the misdiagnosis.<br />
And the doppler heart monitor test was wrong &#8211; a few times.<br />
Yet, in the very same office, I was not offered screening for postpartum mood disorders in spite of being very upset.  I had postpartum psychosis and depression.<br />
Then, at my first routine mammo (offered at age 40), an aggressive invasive cancer was discovered.  I now have a second chance. Had I waited until 50 it would have almost certainly been too late. I did not have any known risk factors &#8211; so if it had not been offered, if it had been up to me to request it&#8230; I would not have.<br />
Screenings are not perfect &#8212; BUT &#8212; they SHOULD be offered and available &#8211;PARTICULARLY when something is stigmatized.  And if it takes a law to get doctors to OFFER to screen for this disorder &#8211; first diagnosed by HIPPOCRATES (yes, it is not new and a careful review of historical literature and documents shows that) &#8211; than we should have a law requiring it.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure what change those who oppose the MOTHERS Act WOULD seek.  (Although on other websites I&#8217;ve seen posts supporting the BANNING of pharmaceuticals for mental illness.)  It is hard to imagine, given the terrible experiences some relate, that they wish to keep things as they are. I&#8217;d like to know what change they seek and what they are doing to effect that change. Seriously.  Maybe we can find a meeting of the minds.<br />
Also, in the interest of full disclosure: I DO NOT receive money from Big Pharma. I, like others PSI volunteers, give lots of my own time JUST to help other mothers BECAUSE right now, we volunteers are a PRIMARY resource for moms with postpartum mood disorders.  PSI is the largest and most active grass-roots, volunteer organization offering social support to new moms (as well as education and raising awareness).  It is funded by &#8212; wait for it&#8230;.<br />
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Mothers and fathers (and some sisters and brothers)who care enough to help struggling mothers and their families.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Van Syckel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Van Syckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I am a Major Contributor to our federal Tax System,... Id like to know one thing. How much is thise lame possibly unconstitutional piece of legislation going to cost me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I am a Major Contributor to our federal Tax System,&#8230; Id like to know one thing. How much is thise lame possibly unconstitutional piece of legislation going to cost me?</p>
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		<title>By: PPD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sue

I heard of this strange case too. It is in Utah,  Dahhhhh...

I read that there were so many judges.  I have a friend who lives in Cache Valley where there was a trial but that the judge who did the trial was really old and retired.  That he said in his judgement that Post Partim Depression was in fact a chemical thing.  

I got a divorce. it took over five years and I had one judge.  I am thinking that the people in Utah, which is also the adoption warehouse state dragged this out, with all those judges.  Utah is not a fair in courts.  LDS families are favored.  There is a group of us following this story.  The owners of the adoption agency had their own agenda.  We read all that stuff that they did in Western Samoa. How could they be good parents let alone decent role models to children.
Utah needs to catch up with the real world. Educate the judges and get the Book of Mormon out of the courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sue</p>
<p>I heard of this strange case too. It is in Utah,  Dahhhhh&#8230;</p>
<p>I read that there were so many judges.  I have a friend who lives in Cache Valley where there was a trial but that the judge who did the trial was really old and retired.  That he said in his judgement that Post Partim Depression was in fact a chemical thing.  </p>
<p>I got a divorce. it took over five years and I had one judge.  I am thinking that the people in Utah, which is also the adoption warehouse state dragged this out, with all those judges.  Utah is not a fair in courts.  LDS families are favored.  There is a group of us following this story.  The owners of the adoption agency had their own agenda.  We read all that stuff that they did in Western Samoa. How could they be good parents let alone decent role models to children.<br />
Utah needs to catch up with the real world. Educate the judges and get the Book of Mormon out of the courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Can You Really Eliminate A Potential Cause Of Autism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can You Really Eliminate A Potential Cause Of Autism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 09:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presently there is a case in the Utah court of Appeals May 2009.
The civil case was in Logan, Utah.  It is about a women who delivered twins, and at the same time adopted a child from Asia.  As most of us mothers know that have suffered post partim depression, you are for the most part unaware that you are suffering from it.

The crazy part of this story in Utah, is that the judge, Stantion Taylor ignored the fact that the mother suffered from PPD and actually called it a &quot;chemical imbalanced&quot; when in fact it is a hormonal imbalance.  So even a judge who presided over the case was not educated on PPD yet he continued to preside and never educated himself as to the effect it can have on a mother especially one who gave birth to twins.

Interesting enough, it was a child custody battle.  I was sent the link as in Utah you can actually hear the oral arguments.  The mother was appealing to the Utah court of appeals.  Seems the adoption agency took their child that they adopted from Asia, and this same adoption agency owners were indicted and convicted of federal crimes.  The adoption agency was called Focus on Children,  The owners are or were I should say Scott and Karen Banks.  I googled them and WOW, what losers.  Seems they ran a corrupt adoption agency that bartered Samoan children for food stuffs.

So the mother who suffered PPD was looking for respite care and these loser adoption agency owners were looking to take the child from them and then they wanted to keep the child.    The oral arguments talks about these Scott and Karen Banks people and their probation and some other adopted kids that they adopted but did not keep them in their home, and there was one child who was severly neglected in their home.

  For all woment who have suffered from post partim depression, we should be outraged by this judge in Logan, Utah who ignored this fact and called it a &quot;chemical problem&quot;.  It is truely unbelivable that in this year 2009, such a judge would sit at a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presently there is a case in the Utah court of Appeals May 2009.<br />
The civil case was in Logan, Utah.  It is about a women who delivered twins, and at the same time adopted a child from Asia.  As most of us mothers know that have suffered post partim depression, you are for the most part unaware that you are suffering from it.</p>
<p>The crazy part of this story in Utah, is that the judge, Stantion Taylor ignored the fact that the mother suffered from PPD and actually called it a &#8220;chemical imbalanced&#8221; when in fact it is a hormonal imbalance.  So even a judge who presided over the case was not educated on PPD yet he continued to preside and never educated himself as to the effect it can have on a mother especially one who gave birth to twins.</p>
<p>Interesting enough, it was a child custody battle.  I was sent the link as in Utah you can actually hear the oral arguments.  The mother was appealing to the Utah court of appeals.  Seems the adoption agency took their child that they adopted from Asia, and this same adoption agency owners were indicted and convicted of federal crimes.  The adoption agency was called Focus on Children,  The owners are or were I should say Scott and Karen Banks.  I googled them and WOW, what losers.  Seems they ran a corrupt adoption agency that bartered Samoan children for food stuffs.</p>
<p>So the mother who suffered PPD was looking for respite care and these loser adoption agency owners were looking to take the child from them and then they wanted to keep the child.    The oral arguments talks about these Scott and Karen Banks people and their probation and some other adopted kids that they adopted but did not keep them in their home, and there was one child who was severly neglected in their home.</p>
<p>  For all woment who have suffered from post partim depression, we should be outraged by this judge in Logan, Utah who ignored this fact and called it a &#8220;chemical problem&#8221;.  It is truely unbelivable that in this year 2009, such a judge would sit at a</p>
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		<title>By: Making the Best Out of the Postpartum Depression Help</title>
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		<dc:creator>Making the Best Out of the Postpartum Depression Help</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vowing to defeat this pharma push act that will cause harm and devastation while increasing pharma profit.

Most groups supporting it take pharma money.

Thanks to Dr. Coburn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vowing to defeat this pharma push act that will cause harm and devastation while increasing pharma profit.</p>
<p>Most groups supporting it take pharma money.</p>
<p>Thanks to Dr. Coburn</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire,
While most of your friends are aware of what PPD is, that does not mean that everyone else knows and can recognize symptoms for themselves and seek help earlier rather than later.  Though my experience was 4 yrs ago, I highly doubt the majority of the population has been enlightened.  When I talk to people I know I get this glazed look, like whatever.  They don&#039;t want to hear about it.  So, those like you and therapyfirst that are so opposed to the bill...what would you propose to do?  Would you like to take the lead on educating the public?  It takes more than a few people here &amp; there in communities.  Sure, there&#039;s some momentum, but we&#039;re talking years--maybe a good decade at minimum--before there is progress to really speak of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire,<br />
While most of your friends are aware of what PPD is, that does not mean that everyone else knows and can recognize symptoms for themselves and seek help earlier rather than later.  Though my experience was 4 yrs ago, I highly doubt the majority of the population has been enlightened.  When I talk to people I know I get this glazed look, like whatever.  They don&#8217;t want to hear about it.  So, those like you and therapyfirst that are so opposed to the bill&#8230;what would you propose to do?  Would you like to take the lead on educating the public?  It takes more than a few people here &amp; there in communities.  Sure, there&#8217;s some momentum, but we&#8217;re talking years&#8211;maybe a good decade at minimum&#8211;before there is progress to really speak of.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Monroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Monroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suffered from postpartum depression with both of my children. In fact, it was so severe and I was so despondent and disillusioned that I filed for and was granted a divorce from my husband in the postpartum period and have no recollection of doing it. That is the nature of this disease. I was to the point that I was told not to be alone with my children for fear I&#039;d kill them.  PPD is nothing to joke about or take lightly whatsoever. It is a physical and mental illness that needs treatment. I am completely insulted that an obstetrician would block this act. His medical license should be repealed. What a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suffered from postpartum depression with both of my children. In fact, it was so severe and I was so despondent and disillusioned that I filed for and was granted a divorce from my husband in the postpartum period and have no recollection of doing it. That is the nature of this disease. I was to the point that I was told not to be alone with my children for fear I&#8217;d kill them.  PPD is nothing to joke about or take lightly whatsoever. It is a physical and mental illness that needs treatment. I am completely insulted that an obstetrician would block this act. His medical license should be repealed. What a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: therapyfirst</title>
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		<dc:creator>therapyfirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I see the comments are being taken today, and read others are having this problem, hope Dr Grohol finds out the problem with comments not being accepted.  Onwards to this post:

Claire&#039;s above comments are right on the money!  We don&#039;t need legislation, we need education and destigmatizing by good public relations by all involved:  providers, patients, families, and other invested parties.  Screening forms have limited applicability, and let me remind these good intended souls promoting this legislation about one simple fact that Claire alluded to as well:  it takes were I work these days at least 6 to 12 weeks to get an appointment with a private psych doc, and while maybe a bit sooner at the community mental health clinic I work at, still at least 2 to 4 weeks.  So, you as an OB MD or Pediatrician or internist are just going to tell the patient to see a psych MD?  No, they are going to prescribe to the patient the latest, greatest med that the reps have been pushing in their offices, and some of these patients will be inappropriately medicated.  Again, don&#039;t believe me, just talk to these docs who see straightforward depression without pregnancy involved these days.

This is a set up folks, well intended or not.  Dr Grohol and Ms Stone I am sure want the best for people who need it, however it is not by this method it will do best in the end.

By the way, Sally, I appreciate the support.  Hope the next issue we are congruent on as well.

If on the East Coast, have a nice weekend outside!  Not that I don&#039;t wish well elsewhere, but it looks nice on the left side of the US this weekend, hope for you at other areas too!

therapyfirst, board cert psych MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I see the comments are being taken today, and read others are having this problem, hope Dr Grohol finds out the problem with comments not being accepted.  Onwards to this post:</p>
<p>Claire&#8217;s above comments are right on the money!  We don&#8217;t need legislation, we need education and destigmatizing by good public relations by all involved:  providers, patients, families, and other invested parties.  Screening forms have limited applicability, and let me remind these good intended souls promoting this legislation about one simple fact that Claire alluded to as well:  it takes were I work these days at least 6 to 12 weeks to get an appointment with a private psych doc, and while maybe a bit sooner at the community mental health clinic I work at, still at least 2 to 4 weeks.  So, you as an OB MD or Pediatrician or internist are just going to tell the patient to see a psych MD?  No, they are going to prescribe to the patient the latest, greatest med that the reps have been pushing in their offices, and some of these patients will be inappropriately medicated.  Again, don&#8217;t believe me, just talk to these docs who see straightforward depression without pregnancy involved these days.</p>
<p>This is a set up folks, well intended or not.  Dr Grohol and Ms Stone I am sure want the best for people who need it, however it is not by this method it will do best in the end.</p>
<p>By the way, Sally, I appreciate the support.  Hope the next issue we are congruent on as well.</p>
<p>If on the East Coast, have a nice weekend outside!  Not that I don&#8217;t wish well elsewhere, but it looks nice on the left side of the US this weekend, hope for you at other areas too!</p>
<p>therapyfirst, board cert psych MD</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a variety of reasons people oppose the MOTHERS Act, and for the record I am not anti-pharm.  I don&#039;t support it for other reasons.  

First, I support medical research.  If there is a need for post partum depression research then conduct it like every other research study.  Get a separate informed consent document.  Submit the research project to the IRB.  This doesn&#039;t require a special law.

Second, as others have pointed out who knows if this will even help.  Many of those with post partum depression/psychosis who have been in the news WERE being treated.  Perhaps it was the treatment that made things worse?  We don&#039;t know.  Would it have made a difference if they were treated earlier?  We don&#039;t know.

Third, Sally makes a good point about the referrals.  All fine and good if you have health insurance.  What about those who don&#039;t?  Where do they go?  Onto a waiting list for community mental health care?  When will they be seen and by whom?  The type of care those without resources receive is pitiful, and this needs to be addressed before people are referred to bad care.  

Fourth, I don&#039;t (and there are other women who feel the same way) want to be approached to fill out a a survey where someone who probably isn&#039;t even a mental health professional decides I need psych treatment.  How can they (a nurse, etc) make that determination based on a 10 question survey that is asked when I am emotional from just having had a baby?  

Fifth, I do believe this will lead to women who are simply dealing with temporary hormone issues onto medication they don&#039;t need. 

Sixth, there are other ways of educating women about post partum depression without passing a law like this.  Most of the women I know are already well aware of what post partum depression is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a variety of reasons people oppose the MOTHERS Act, and for the record I am not anti-pharm.  I don&#8217;t support it for other reasons.  </p>
<p>First, I support medical research.  If there is a need for post partum depression research then conduct it like every other research study.  Get a separate informed consent document.  Submit the research project to the IRB.  This doesn&#8217;t require a special law.</p>
<p>Second, as others have pointed out who knows if this will even help.  Many of those with post partum depression/psychosis who have been in the news WERE being treated.  Perhaps it was the treatment that made things worse?  We don&#8217;t know.  Would it have made a difference if they were treated earlier?  We don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Third, Sally makes a good point about the referrals.  All fine and good if you have health insurance.  What about those who don&#8217;t?  Where do they go?  Onto a waiting list for community mental health care?  When will they be seen and by whom?  The type of care those without resources receive is pitiful, and this needs to be addressed before people are referred to bad care.  </p>
<p>Fourth, I don&#8217;t (and there are other women who feel the same way) want to be approached to fill out a a survey where someone who probably isn&#8217;t even a mental health professional decides I need psych treatment.  How can they (a nurse, etc) make that determination based on a 10 question survey that is asked when I am emotional from just having had a baby?  </p>
<p>Fifth, I do believe this will lead to women who are simply dealing with temporary hormone issues onto medication they don&#8217;t need. </p>
<p>Sixth, there are other ways of educating women about post partum depression without passing a law like this.  Most of the women I know are already well aware of what post partum depression is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally,
You may seem like you&#039;re defending women&#039;s interests by being so anti Mothers Act.  You are,  among other anti-pharma or anti-screening or anti-infringement on people&#039;s rights, strangely enough trying to stand in the way of potential improvements for women who have or will have at some point a perinatal mood disorder.  If you had one, you may be singing a different tune right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally,<br />
You may seem like you&#8217;re defending women&#8217;s interests by being so anti Mothers Act.  You are,  among other anti-pharma or anti-screening or anti-infringement on people&#8217;s rights, strangely enough trying to stand in the way of potential improvements for women who have or will have at some point a perinatal mood disorder.  If you had one, you may be singing a different tune right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Post on PPD by Dr. John Grohol at Psych Central &#171; Ivy&#8217;s PPD Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Post on PPD by Dr. John Grohol at Psych Central &#171; Ivy&#8217;s PPD Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] April 22, 2009   Just a real quickie from me today.  Please visit great post by Dr. John Grohol over at Psych Central who writes about PPD and why the Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act is so critical.   Check it out! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] April 22, 2009   Just a real quickie from me today.  Please visit great post by Dr. John Grohol over at Psych Central who writes about PPD and why the Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act is so critical.   Check it out! [...]</p>
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