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	<title>Comments on: The Internet Addiction Myth: 2009 Update</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-674281</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John M. Grohol about labeling. When we label things, they become either black or white, which is totally different from the mostly grey reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John M. Grohol about labeling. When we label things, they become either black or white, which is totally different from the mostly grey reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Moms + Internet = Addiction? &#124; World of Psychology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moms + Internet = Addiction? &#124; World of Psychology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sloppiness in subject recruitment, and sloppiness in statistical analyses. This review &#8212; not the first to question the validity of the body of research on &#8220;Internet addiction&#8221; &#8212; adds further evidence that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sloppiness in subject recruitment, and sloppiness in statistical analyses. This review &#8212; not the first to question the validity of the body of research on &#8220;Internet addiction&#8221; &#8212; adds further evidence that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: farouk</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-624939</link>
		<dc:creator>farouk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe that a question such as how many hours do you spend on the internet each day wont produce accurate results because some people work using the internet,for example i spend at least 10 hours a day working online and of course these include sometimes little procrastination here and there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe that a question such as how many hours do you spend on the internet each day wont produce accurate results because some people work using the internet,for example i spend at least 10 hours a day working online and of course these include sometimes little procrastination here and there</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Pies</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-623738</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Pies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, All--You may be interested in reading a psychiatrist&#039;s take on this. I tend to lean more toward Dr. Grohol&#039;s position on this matter, though I think the issues are complex and greatly in need of more research! For what it&#039;s worth, you can see my article at: 

http://www.psychiatrymmc.com/should-dsm-v-designate-%E2%80%9Cinternet-addiction%E2%80%9D-a-mental-disorder/

Ronald Pies MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, All&#8211;You may be interested in reading a psychiatrist&#8217;s take on this. I tend to lean more toward Dr. Grohol&#8217;s position on this matter, though I think the issues are complex and greatly in need of more research! For what it&#8217;s worth, you can see my article at: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.psychiatrymmc.com/should-dsm-v-designate-%E2%80%9Cinternet-addiction%E2%80%9D-a-mental-disorder/" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychiatrymmc.com/should-dsm-v-designate-%E2%80%9Cinternet-addiction%E2%80%9D-a-mental-disorder/</a></p>
<p>Ronald Pies MD</p>
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		<title>By: therapyfirst</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-623583</link>
		<dc:creator>therapyfirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with your general position we do not want to micromanage/overdiagnose people, but, I have felt you are, at least to some degree, dismissing the general concept that internet use can have an addictive quality per the dynamics behind involvement with this medium.  Maybe I should have just said the internet is another example of a culture that is more at risk for addictive tendencies than prior generations had been at risk to develop.

My general point is to just raise the question that, if a person is involved in a behavior which becomes the center of one&#039;s life that is then interfering with what should be appropriate functions/expectations, that others view as unhealthy and worthless when involved in said behavior, it needs to be identified as, at least, possibly &quot;____ abuse or dependency&quot;.  And, if truly an addiction, then change is needed.

I believe there is a noteable population that are internet addicts, maybe with other addictions as well, but the internet is one that causes strife with others.  And, in the end, if that is a determination a person should be told and advised changed, it should be put out there.  I won&#039;t push the issue further here, but we do identify gambling, sex, substances, shopping as unique addictions that now have separate group processes for treatment interventions.  The internet is a unique entity, so I do not see it as terrible to offer it as a subset in the general definition of addiction.  Again, just an opinion, but one of some experience for me.

Appreciate the brief dialogue, and nice posts the last few weeks by the way.  No comment about the Seroquel controversy started by Furious Seasons and furthered by Clin Psych?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with your general position we do not want to micromanage/overdiagnose people, but, I have felt you are, at least to some degree, dismissing the general concept that internet use can have an addictive quality per the dynamics behind involvement with this medium.  Maybe I should have just said the internet is another example of a culture that is more at risk for addictive tendencies than prior generations had been at risk to develop.</p>
<p>My general point is to just raise the question that, if a person is involved in a behavior which becomes the center of one&#8217;s life that is then interfering with what should be appropriate functions/expectations, that others view as unhealthy and worthless when involved in said behavior, it needs to be identified as, at least, possibly &#8220;____ abuse or dependency&#8221;.  And, if truly an addiction, then change is needed.</p>
<p>I believe there is a noteable population that are internet addicts, maybe with other addictions as well, but the internet is one that causes strife with others.  And, in the end, if that is a determination a person should be told and advised changed, it should be put out there.  I won&#8217;t push the issue further here, but we do identify gambling, sex, substances, shopping as unique addictions that now have separate group processes for treatment interventions.  The internet is a unique entity, so I do not see it as terrible to offer it as a subset in the general definition of addiction.  Again, just an opinion, but one of some experience for me.</p>
<p>Appreciate the brief dialogue, and nice posts the last few weeks by the way.  No comment about the Seroquel controversy started by Furious Seasons and furthered by Clin Psych?</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point wasn&#039;t to single out reading, but to suggest that one could readily and easily identify virtually any behavior -- prosocial or not -- and claim one could engage in &quot;excessive use&quot; of it. TV. Sex. Video games. Talking to friends. Texting. Reading. Now twittering. 

There&#039;s nothing unique or special about the Internet that suggests we should single it out for special treatment and a single diagnosis, when the foundation for such a diagnosis is based upon sand. Might as well single out people&#039;s Blackberries as well. 

I can only conclude that if we&#039;re going to go down this path of &quot;excessive use&quot; for any behavior, we not single out a characteristic of that behavior (&quot;Internet use,&quot; &quot;watching TV,&quot; &quot;reading&quot;), but find a solid theoretical foundation that would be inclusive enough for any type of excessive use behavior. 

I&#039;m not suggesting this would be a good thing, though, as I believe we already have more than enough diagnoses (although none of them perfect fits) to cover these kinds of behavior in our existing diagnostic system.

There&#039;s this misnomer that if we just had the &quot;right&quot; label to place on something like this, we&#039;d be able to better target treatment. And yet decades worth of research has only produced targeted treatments for broad spectrums of disorders, not Treatment 12890 for Patient XZY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point wasn&#8217;t to single out reading, but to suggest that one could readily and easily identify virtually any behavior &#8212; prosocial or not &#8212; and claim one could engage in &#8220;excessive use&#8221; of it. TV. Sex. Video games. Talking to friends. Texting. Reading. Now twittering. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing unique or special about the Internet that suggests we should single it out for special treatment and a single diagnosis, when the foundation for such a diagnosis is based upon sand. Might as well single out people&#8217;s Blackberries as well. </p>
<p>I can only conclude that if we&#8217;re going to go down this path of &#8220;excessive use&#8221; for any behavior, we not single out a characteristic of that behavior (&#8220;Internet use,&#8221; &#8220;watching TV,&#8221; &#8220;reading&#8221;), but find a solid theoretical foundation that would be inclusive enough for any type of excessive use behavior. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting this would be a good thing, though, as I believe we already have more than enough diagnoses (although none of them perfect fits) to cover these kinds of behavior in our existing diagnostic system.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this misnomer that if we just had the &#8220;right&#8221; label to place on something like this, we&#8217;d be able to better target treatment. And yet decades worth of research has only produced targeted treatments for broad spectrums of disorders, not Treatment 12890 for Patient XZY.</p>
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		<title>By: therapyfirst</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-623576</link>
		<dc:creator>therapyfirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I disagree with your appraisal and your equating reading as synonomous with this issue.  Abuse and Dependency infer disruption in function in multiple arenas of life, and while there are possible exceptions to relate reading could be &quot;addictive&quot;, I am nothing less than surprised you dismiss a position there could be a sizeable population, even if only 5% or less that could meet the criteria of internet addiction.  Bring in 20 random regular readers and 20 regular internet users, and I would bet a nice lunch there would be a greater likelihood of finding at least 1 or 2 who could meet a criteria of &#039;excessive use&#039; that could be defined as abuse/dependency in the internet group before I would find just 1 in the readers&#039; group.

By the way, after giving it much thought, you might have some validity to say people read to isolate and disconnect, but how is that equivalent to being on the internet; the latter is interacting and connecting.  And in the end, don&#039;t people read to educate and rejuvenate if innundated with too much humanity?  Just an opinion.

Thank you for the reply though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I disagree with your appraisal and your equating reading as synonomous with this issue.  Abuse and Dependency infer disruption in function in multiple arenas of life, and while there are possible exceptions to relate reading could be &#8220;addictive&#8221;, I am nothing less than surprised you dismiss a position there could be a sizeable population, even if only 5% or less that could meet the criteria of internet addiction.  Bring in 20 random regular readers and 20 regular internet users, and I would bet a nice lunch there would be a greater likelihood of finding at least 1 or 2 who could meet a criteria of &#8216;excessive use&#8217; that could be defined as abuse/dependency in the internet group before I would find just 1 in the readers&#8217; group.</p>
<p>By the way, after giving it much thought, you might have some validity to say people read to isolate and disconnect, but how is that equivalent to being on the internet; the latter is interacting and connecting.  And in the end, don&#8217;t people read to educate and rejuvenate if innundated with too much humanity?  Just an opinion.</p>
<p>Thank you for the reply though.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, it&#039;s a news story based upon an unpublished report by Swedish youth agency based upon people contacting the agency about a concern their child is &quot;addicted&quot; to Warcraft. So a completely biased sample as well.

I could conduct a completely valid study showing that reading meets all of the same addiction criteria as &quot;Internet addiction,&quot; using the same biased methodology. And while the results would be &quot;valid&quot; in terms of confirming my hypothesis, we still wouldn&#039;t suggest reading is an &quot;addiction.&quot; (Reading, by the way, is also a very isolating behavior that people often do to disconnect from the world around them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, it&#8217;s a news story based upon an unpublished report by Swedish youth agency based upon people contacting the agency about a concern their child is &#8220;addicted&#8221; to Warcraft. So a completely biased sample as well.</p>
<p>I could conduct a completely valid study showing that reading meets all of the same addiction criteria as &#8220;Internet addiction,&#8221; using the same biased methodology. And while the results would be &#8220;valid&#8221; in terms of confirming my hypothesis, we still wouldn&#8217;t suggest reading is an &#8220;addiction.&#8221; (Reading, by the way, is also a very isolating behavior that people often do to disconnect from the world around them.)</p>
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		<title>By: therapyfirst</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-2/#comment-623549</link>
		<dc:creator>therapyfirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today (March 2) at aol&#039;s front page is a little blurb about how the video game &quot;Warcraft&quot; is one of the most addictive games out there, dubbed &quot;Warcrack&quot;.

Just a media article, but seems to echo my concern that the screen is a source for addiction, as the environment to isolate can only add to this dynamic of dependency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today (March 2) at aol&#8217;s front page is a little blurb about how the video game &#8220;Warcraft&#8221; is one of the most addictive games out there, dubbed &#8220;Warcrack&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just a media article, but seems to echo my concern that the screen is a source for addiction, as the environment to isolate can only add to this dynamic of dependency.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to know to who not to go to read:
http://slokas.wordpress.com/

We were extremely with this psychologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to know to who not to go to read:<br />
<a href="http://slokas.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://slokas.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>We were extremely with this psychologist.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx Blog - Dougies corner of the Internet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx Blog - Dougies corner of the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Internet Addiction Myth (John M. Grohol, PsyD).  It&#8217;s interesting to me how quick we are to label people, events and conditions.  Perhaps we seek comfort in definition rather than solution. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Internet Addiction Myth (John M. Grohol, PsyD).  It&#8217;s interesting to me how quick we are to label people, events and conditions.  Perhaps we seek comfort in definition rather than solution. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-623081</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have our vices.
I don&#039;t see habitual internet use on it&#039;s own as dangerous, but I have seen people that let their lives get out of control because of some of the things made available on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have our vices.<br />
I don&#8217;t see habitual internet use on it&#8217;s own as dangerous, but I have seen people that let their lives get out of control because of some of the things made available on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul C. Herson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul C. Herson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caffeine Addiction - Caffeine Effects and Withdrawal part II
Caffeine addiction shows up when a person cannot stop consuming caffeine in high amounts, causing his/her body to demand the substance and react negatively if that no caffeine is intake. Caffeine may not be addictive in the traditional sense, but the body builds up a tolerance over time; some people find it very hard to function well without at least one cup of strong coffee or tea in the morning. The stimulating effects of caffeine are caused by a central nervous reaction, the heart rate increases, blood vessels expand and the brain receives more oxygen. These caffeine effects can last for up to 8 hours, and once they go off then the body feels extremely lazy and slow as a side effect.
Caffeine addiction can even cause death, mainly because the abuse of any stimulant can cause high blood pressure or and heart problems, so if you abuse of it chances are you put yourself at the highest risk of a heart attack. 
You need to be careful with caffeine withdrawal because it affects your overall health and therefore, you need to control your consumption of caffeinated products to prevent your body reactions to caffeine withdrawals. If you need more information about caffeine effects and caffeine addiction symptoms or prevention, please investigate a little further on this topics.

You can find more info at: http://yourcaffeineaddiction.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caffeine Addiction &#8211; Caffeine Effects and Withdrawal part II<br />
Caffeine addiction shows up when a person cannot stop consuming caffeine in high amounts, causing his/her body to demand the substance and react negatively if that no caffeine is intake. Caffeine may not be addictive in the traditional sense, but the body builds up a tolerance over time; some people find it very hard to function well without at least one cup of strong coffee or tea in the morning. The stimulating effects of caffeine are caused by a central nervous reaction, the heart rate increases, blood vessels expand and the brain receives more oxygen. These caffeine effects can last for up to 8 hours, and once they go off then the body feels extremely lazy and slow as a side effect.<br />
Caffeine addiction can even cause death, mainly because the abuse of any stimulant can cause high blood pressure or and heart problems, so if you abuse of it chances are you put yourself at the highest risk of a heart attack.<br />
You need to be careful with caffeine withdrawal because it affects your overall health and therefore, you need to control your consumption of caffeinated products to prevent your body reactions to caffeine withdrawals. If you need more information about caffeine effects and caffeine addiction symptoms or prevention, please investigate a little further on this topics.</p>
<p>You can find more info at: <a href="http://yourcaffeineaddiction.com/" rel="nofollow">http://yourcaffeineaddiction.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one more thing to add.  theres a very simple definition for addiction.  it means *you cannot stop*.  just thought i would cut the gordian knot for some of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one more thing to add.  theres a very simple definition for addiction.  it means *you cannot stop*.  just thought i would cut the gordian knot for some of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/31/internet-addiction-update/comment-page-1/#comment-622044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just taken they Young questionairre before reading this article, 

I took sociology and social psych in college and i know about qualitative and quantitative metrics, etc., and I don&#039;t think its accurate at all.  To begin with the two answers &#039;frequently&#039; and &#039;often&#039; are near synonyms and probably skew some answers.

My score indicated i was in the &#039;normal internet user&#039; range, despite having scored several questions 4 or 5, and despite that by my own self-assessment I believe myself to be addicted and to display symptoms of internet addiction (interferes w/ life, etc)  

for what its worth, the test is squat, honestly hard to believe its the only certifiable one.  probably was a good first go but by now its way overdue to be tightened up on. 

also, I agree w/ Stephanie.  nice job on the softcore photo ;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just taken they Young questionairre before reading this article, </p>
<p>I took sociology and social psych in college and i know about qualitative and quantitative metrics, etc., and I don&#8217;t think its accurate at all.  To begin with the two answers &#8216;frequently&#8217; and &#8216;often&#8217; are near synonyms and probably skew some answers.</p>
<p>My score indicated i was in the &#8216;normal internet user&#8217; range, despite having scored several questions 4 or 5, and despite that by my own self-assessment I believe myself to be addicted and to display symptoms of internet addiction (interferes w/ life, etc)  </p>
<p>for what its worth, the test is squat, honestly hard to believe its the only certifiable one.  probably was a good first go but by now its way overdue to be tightened up on. </p>
<p>also, I agree w/ Stephanie.  nice job on the softcore photo ;(</p>
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