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		<title>By: Even a Brand Manager needs their 10,000 hours of practice to be great &#124; Hard Knox Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even a Brand Manager needs their 10,000 hours of practice to be great &#124; Hard Knox Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/11/29/gladwells-outliers-is-an-outlier-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-596083</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He may not focus on gender-related issues, or even on many situations involving women, but his ideas on quick thinking and the ways in which to maximize success are applicable to everyone.&lt;/i&gt;

But the point people are saying -- and we are people with experience -- is that they aren&#039;t, that there are differences that are far more than a little asterisk with &quot;for the ladies, it&#039;s a little teeny bit different&quot; printed at the bottom of the page.

From my own life and the lives of the other women I know -- highly successful academic officials, doctorates, and lawyers -- the game is radically different for us, and books like these that pretend it isn&#039;t don&#039;t do us much good at all.

A book that can&#039;t be applied even to the majority of its intended audience isn&#039;t a very good book, and a writer who can&#039;t write to the situation of over half of his intended readership isn&#039;t a good writer.  If it&#039;s a book about maximizing success strategies for men, it should be labeled as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He may not focus on gender-related issues, or even on many situations involving women, but his ideas on quick thinking and the ways in which to maximize success are applicable to everyone.</i></p>
<p>But the point people are saying &#8212; and we are people with experience &#8212; is that they aren&#8217;t, that there are differences that are far more than a little asterisk with &#8220;for the ladies, it&#8217;s a little teeny bit different&#8221; printed at the bottom of the page.</p>
<p>From my own life and the lives of the other women I know &#8212; highly successful academic officials, doctorates, and lawyers &#8212; the game is radically different for us, and books like these that pretend it isn&#8217;t don&#8217;t do us much good at all.</p>
<p>A book that can&#8217;t be applied even to the majority of its intended audience isn&#8217;t a very good book, and a writer who can&#8217;t write to the situation of over half of his intended readership isn&#8217;t a good writer.  If it&#8217;s a book about maximizing success strategies for men, it should be labeled as such.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to look to this new breed of pop psychology books to see whether they offer anything the last breed did not. To date, I haven&#039;t really found the compelling drive behind them.

Most people would look at a step by step program as something that goes &quot;deeper&quot; than simply providing well-known information couched in slightly different terms with different stories to illustrate that information, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to look to this new breed of pop psychology books to see whether they offer anything the last breed did not. To date, I haven&#8217;t really found the compelling drive behind them.</p>
<p>Most people would look at a step by step program as something that goes &#8220;deeper&#8221; than simply providing well-known information couched in slightly different terms with different stories to illustrate that information, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm Gladwell, though he lacks the published research that many of his peers rely on, offers applicable information for everyone. He may not focus on gender-related issues, or even on many situations involving women, but his ideas on quick thinking and the ways in which to maximize success are applicable to everyone. I find it refreshing that his books are entertaining and applicable. He goes deeper than most &quot;pop-psychologists&quot; in that he does not provide some step by step program or guarantee that his ideas will work. He simply provides information in a logical manner with reasonable yet entertaining examples. His information is accessible and understandable to everyone, yet is still applicable even to those at the pinnacle of intelligence and success. I think this should be applauded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm Gladwell, though he lacks the published research that many of his peers rely on, offers applicable information for everyone. He may not focus on gender-related issues, or even on many situations involving women, but his ideas on quick thinking and the ways in which to maximize success are applicable to everyone. I find it refreshing that his books are entertaining and applicable. He goes deeper than most &#8220;pop-psychologists&#8221; in that he does not provide some step by step program or guarantee that his ideas will work. He simply provides information in a logical manner with reasonable yet entertaining examples. His information is accessible and understandable to everyone, yet is still applicable even to those at the pinnacle of intelligence and success. I think this should be applauded.</p>
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		<title>By: Kare Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kare Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh  and I thought i was just being a grouch... as there are several other gaps in his &quot;model&quot; too.  The focus on men-related examples is such a throw-back.  In this era when so much depends on how well we collaborate his topic also seems so 1980s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh  and I thought i was just being a grouch&#8230; as there are several other gaps in his &#8220;model&#8221; too.  The focus on men-related examples is such a throw-back.  In this era when so much depends on how well we collaborate his topic also seems so 1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting; I&#039;ll have to take a look at the other book you mentioned, the Colvin one.  I was always one of the kids in school who learned anything by being in close proximity to it, and I wish I had been told that what is rewarded in life is not intelligence but bullheadedness.  Really, success is just getting up one more time than you&#039;re knocked down.

I would also like to see a book like this that does focus on gender stuff; I&#039;ve found that the &quot;spunky, plucky genius&quot; meme that these books promote simply doesn&#039;t work for women.  It gets met with more hostility, outright sabotage, or clumsy passes than respect for gutsiness or admiration for pluck.

As a result, I&#039;ve found that, as with a lot of women, the only things I can become truly great at are things I do entirely myself, which is very tough for an extrovert like myself -- and in a world where collaboration is increasingly important, it can be crippling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting; I&#8217;ll have to take a look at the other book you mentioned, the Colvin one.  I was always one of the kids in school who learned anything by being in close proximity to it, and I wish I had been told that what is rewarded in life is not intelligence but bullheadedness.  Really, success is just getting up one more time than you&#8217;re knocked down.</p>
<p>I would also like to see a book like this that does focus on gender stuff; I&#8217;ve found that the &#8220;spunky, plucky genius&#8221; meme that these books promote simply doesn&#8217;t work for women.  It gets met with more hostility, outright sabotage, or clumsy passes than respect for gutsiness or admiration for pluck.</p>
<p>As a result, I&#8217;ve found that, as with a lot of women, the only things I can become truly great at are things I do entirely myself, which is very tough for an extrovert like myself &#8212; and in a world where collaboration is increasingly important, it can be crippling.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robinson -- Agreed. He&#039;s like a very popular intro to psychology professor at the local college -- full of charisma, personality and spunk. And perhaps in doing so, sparking a few people to dig deeper on these topics. But I think many authors find it frustrating, given they&#039;ve said the same things years earlier with less attention.

@Jeanne Li -- I don&#039;t know that he doesn&#039;t know it exists, but if you judged by the content of the book alone, he doesn&#039;t seem to acknowledge it or the fact that women&#039;s stories may be very different than the men he highlights throughout the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robinson &#8212; Agreed. He&#8217;s like a very popular intro to psychology professor at the local college &#8212; full of charisma, personality and spunk. And perhaps in doing so, sparking a few people to dig deeper on these topics. But I think many authors find it frustrating, given they&#8217;ve said the same things years earlier with less attention.</p>
<p>@Jeanne Li &#8212; I don&#8217;t know that he doesn&#8217;t know it exists, but if you judged by the content of the book alone, he doesn&#8217;t seem to acknowledge it or the fact that women&#8217;s stories may be very different than the men he highlights throughout the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really nice to hear you discuss his views on gender equality. It&#039;s disappointing to hear that he doesn&#039;t seem to think it exists, when I&#039;ve heard him discuss how his ideas apply to racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really nice to hear you discuss his views on gender equality. It&#8217;s disappointing to hear that he doesn&#8217;t seem to think it exists, when I&#8217;ve heard him discuss how his ideas apply to racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Reasonable Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reasonable Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Gladwell seems to have latched onto a successful formula for &#039;pop&#039; psychology. I suppose in that sense he is to be congratulated because he exemplifies Vygotsky&#039;s notion of the zone of proximal development. In other words if you are new to the topics he reports on then he provides a useful bridge to deeper exploration. His work should be read as &#039;journalistic&#039; rather than in any academic sense of &#039;contribution to knowledge&#039;. For more original and erudite offerings readers should dip into Howard Gardner&#039;s work - Frames of Mind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Gladwell seems to have latched onto a successful formula for &#8216;pop&#8217; psychology. I suppose in that sense he is to be congratulated because he exemplifies Vygotsky&#8217;s notion of the zone of proximal development. In other words if you are new to the topics he reports on then he provides a useful bridge to deeper exploration. His work should be read as &#8216;journalistic&#8217; rather than in any academic sense of &#8216;contribution to knowledge&#8217;. For more original and erudite offerings readers should dip into Howard Gardner&#8217;s work &#8211; Frames of Mind</p>
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