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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt very angry after reading your post, you seem to dismiss parentifying as inevitable and adult children as unable to break the cycle of abuse.  

WRONG.
I recognized my own dysfunctional patterns and started attending Codependents Anonymous meetings over 18 months ago; they literally saved my life.  I&#039;m also seeing a therapist and taking antidepressants.  But even with all of these efforts, I am self-aware enough to know having children would be a catastrophic mistake.  I might be healthy someday to have relationships with other adults; that will be victory enough for me.   The fact that my parents did not realize this of themselves is still a sore point with me.  I do not blame them for my life now.  However, I do blame their choices for how unhappy they remained their entire lives.  Neither ever had therapy,  or committed to any kind of recovery work.  I was their doll, not their daughter.  A lot of that changed once I moved out and the  parents grew too old to be physically intimidating anymore.    I&#039;m proof that people CAN be self-aware and break the cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt very angry after reading your post, you seem to dismiss parentifying as inevitable and adult children as unable to break the cycle of abuse.  </p>
<p>WRONG.<br />
I recognized my own dysfunctional patterns and started attending Codependents Anonymous meetings over 18 months ago; they literally saved my life.  I&#8217;m also seeing a therapist and taking antidepressants.  But even with all of these efforts, I am self-aware enough to know having children would be a catastrophic mistake.  I might be healthy someday to have relationships with other adults; that will be victory enough for me.   The fact that my parents did not realize this of themselves is still a sore point with me.  I do not blame them for my life now.  However, I do blame their choices for how unhappy they remained their entire lives.  Neither ever had therapy,  or committed to any kind of recovery work.  I was their doll, not their daughter.  A lot of that changed once I moved out and the  parents grew too old to be physically intimidating anymore.    I&#8217;m proof that people CAN be self-aware and break the cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just read the comments on this page and am feeling much better knowing the feelings I have, the explosive anger, guilt, depression, etc. are NOT all my fault and feel I can go forward now.  Thank you all for your bravery in posting.

I myself have a mother who is the equivalent of a 5 year old - quite literally.  I could never figure out why she was so different and recently realized (after having children) that she was just like them... at 5.  She obviously did not move on, but no fault of her own.  I was lucky to have my father up to when I was 15 yrs. old and then he passed away.  I missed out on advice, comfort, guidance and sense of security and protection after he died.  It was a world being ripped out from under me.  

However, now I have stumbled upon this page and know I&#039;m not alone, although none of this is &#039;normal&#039; I&#039;m going to take heart everyone here knows how I feel.  That is the first step on a journey... so thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just read the comments on this page and am feeling much better knowing the feelings I have, the explosive anger, guilt, depression, etc. are NOT all my fault and feel I can go forward now.  Thank you all for your bravery in posting.</p>
<p>I myself have a mother who is the equivalent of a 5 year old &#8211; quite literally.  I could never figure out why she was so different and recently realized (after having children) that she was just like them&#8230; at 5.  She obviously did not move on, but no fault of her own.  I was lucky to have my father up to when I was 15 yrs. old and then he passed away.  I missed out on advice, comfort, guidance and sense of security and protection after he died.  It was a world being ripped out from under me.  </p>
<p>However, now I have stumbled upon this page and know I&#8217;m not alone, although none of this is &#8216;normal&#8217; I&#8217;m going to take heart everyone here knows how I feel.  That is the first step on a journey&#8230; so thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Maynard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 00:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your journey. I needed to read that in order to better understand the generational dynamics of a parentified child. These are issues close to my heart that I hope to help myself and others with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your journey. I needed to read that in order to better understand the generational dynamics of a parentified child. These are issues close to my heart that I hope to help myself and others with.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talked my mom out of killing herself when I was 6 years old.  I became her &quot;parent&quot;, she used to ask me who she should date, etc... She emotionally robbed me of developing a sense of &quot;Self&quot;, so much so that even today at age 42 I have difficulties verbalizing how I feel.  She used to get jealous of the few friends I had so I gave them up.  She would tell me to go see my dad&#039;s family and then get angry and jealous when I came home from the visit.  IT was constant chaos and confusion.  I ended up married to a man who was emotionally absent and cheated on me, then I went to the arms of an abusive man who acted exactly like my mother...I ended up alone, terrified and isolated far from home.  Now I am dating a nice guy but I dont think he will ever want to get married. (Again unavailable?)  I have no kids, never wanted kids because I felt freedom when I left for college and got away from my mom....sort of. I lived 30 miles away and she called and wrote me letters weekley.  I have learned to make boundaries and protect myself from her toxicity.  I have to learn to accept that she is mentally ill and I wont ever have that &quot;adult&quot; mother that I needed. I have anger, still inside that I am still learning to let out. I am pretty messed up I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked my mom out of killing herself when I was 6 years old.  I became her &#8220;parent&#8221;, she used to ask me who she should date, etc&#8230; She emotionally robbed me of developing a sense of &#8220;Self&#8221;, so much so that even today at age 42 I have difficulties verbalizing how I feel.  She used to get jealous of the few friends I had so I gave them up.  She would tell me to go see my dad&#8217;s family and then get angry and jealous when I came home from the visit.  IT was constant chaos and confusion.  I ended up married to a man who was emotionally absent and cheated on me, then I went to the arms of an abusive man who acted exactly like my mother&#8230;I ended up alone, terrified and isolated far from home.  Now I am dating a nice guy but I dont think he will ever want to get married. (Again unavailable?)  I have no kids, never wanted kids because I felt freedom when I left for college and got away from my mom&#8230;.sort of. I lived 30 miles away and she called and wrote me letters weekley.  I have learned to make boundaries and protect myself from her toxicity.  I have to learn to accept that she is mentally ill and I wont ever have that &#8220;adult&#8221; mother that I needed. I have anger, still inside that I am still learning to let out. I am pretty messed up I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am that parent!!!! I was a physially and mentally abused as a child and swore I would never be like that with my children. Because of this, I took it to the other extreme. I was their friend and not their parent. I am also a recovering drug addict, but did not do so until my daughter was 12.
She is now 19. I pretty much let her control me. Whatever she wanted she got, one way or another. I was never there for her emotionally.
Today, she is an overacheiver, works full time (50 hrs a week) and goes to school full time (20 units). She has trust issues (relationships only last maybe 2 months). She lies so much that she is starting to loose track of what she told each person. She has violent out bursts, (use to be just toward me but has now grown towards friends, coworkers). I can&#039;t help her anymore. I am at the point where I don&#039;t want to even see her anymore. but worry to death about her. She needs help, but I know nothing. She is NEVER wrong, it is always someone elses fault. When you are not on &quot;her side&quot; she will destroy you. There always has to be some sort of dramma. The attension has to be on her. People outside of the family just love her. She is so awsume. but after a couple of years they will finally see how she has malipulted them. What can I do to help her now? Is it too late for me to be her parent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am that parent!!!! I was a physially and mentally abused as a child and swore I would never be like that with my children. Because of this, I took it to the other extreme. I was their friend and not their parent. I am also a recovering drug addict, but did not do so until my daughter was 12.<br />
She is now 19. I pretty much let her control me. Whatever she wanted she got, one way or another. I was never there for her emotionally.<br />
Today, she is an overacheiver, works full time (50 hrs a week) and goes to school full time (20 units). She has trust issues (relationships only last maybe 2 months). She lies so much that she is starting to loose track of what she told each person. She has violent out bursts, (use to be just toward me but has now grown towards friends, coworkers). I can&#8217;t help her anymore. I am at the point where I don&#8217;t want to even see her anymore. but worry to death about her. She needs help, but I know nothing. She is NEVER wrong, it is always someone elses fault. When you are not on &#8220;her side&#8221; she will destroy you. There always has to be some sort of dramma. The attension has to be on her. People outside of the family just love her. She is so awsume. but after a couple of years they will finally see how she has malipulted them. What can I do to help her now? Is it too late for me to be her parent?</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel Lopez De Victoria, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Lopez De Victoria, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Pamela,

I read your comment.

I suggest the following:

1. See a psychotherapist/counselor/psychologist that works with a model of truama where he/she locates the origination memory and then reframes or works with that memory imprint. This way you will be able to release the negative emotions and then be able to change your negative beliefs and get out of being stuck.

2. I would acquire healthier boundaries. The book called &quot;Boundaries&quot; by Townsend and Cloud is a good place to start.

3. Make your husband accountable for his actions. Avoid being a doormat. If he is toxic towards you then evaluate whether you should separate. He needs to be going every day to an AA group. If he won&#039;t then separate. Then give him a time limit to get his act together. If he does not consistently then Good bye!

Get help to let go of the anger, release the mother, and move on. That will take reframing trauma effectively. I also do Skype sessions in case you are interested.

Samuel Lopez De Victoria, Ph.D.
http://www.DrSam.tv
&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Pamela,</p>
<p>I read your comment.</p>
<p>I suggest the following:</p>
<p>1. See a psychotherapist/counselor/psychologist that works with a model of truama where he/she locates the origination memory and then reframes or works with that memory imprint. This way you will be able to release the negative emotions and then be able to change your negative beliefs and get out of being stuck.</p>
<p>2. I would acquire healthier boundaries. The book called &#8220;Boundaries&#8221; by Townsend and Cloud is a good place to start.</p>
<p>3. Make your husband accountable for his actions. Avoid being a doormat. If he is toxic towards you then evaluate whether you should separate. He needs to be going every day to an AA group. If he won&#8217;t then separate. Then give him a time limit to get his act together. If he does not consistently then Good bye!</p>
<p>Get help to let go of the anger, release the mother, and move on. That will take reframing trauma effectively. I also do Skype sessions in case you are interested.</p>
<p>Samuel Lopez De Victoria, Ph.D.<br />
<a href="http://www.DrSam.tv" rel="nofollow">http://www.DrSam.tv</a><br />
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a parentified child. My mother divorced when I was 7, and I became the caretaker of an older sister and younger brother. My mother suffered serious depression, and was hospitalized many times over the years. I don&#039;t remember a time when she was not on medication for depression. I also don&#039;t remember a timewhen i was not responsible for teh housework, cooking, laundry, etc. I left school after 8th grade because I felt so responsible for taking care of everyone in the family that I was unable to function in class for worrying about everything. I was home schooled by a tutor instead, that way I could

I thought I had handled all the trauma this caused me years ago, but recently I have not ever felt such anger as I feel lately. I have married and divorced one alcoholic husband, and am currently married to another alcoholic. 

I am miserable at home, at work, and in every aspect of my life. I cannot forgive my mother for doing this to me, and I don&#039;t know where to turn for any help. I feel like getting in my car and driving as far away as I can get from everyone and everything, and never coming back. Is there any hope when this had happened to someone and they are 42 and are still not over a childhood problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a parentified child. My mother divorced when I was 7, and I became the caretaker of an older sister and younger brother. My mother suffered serious depression, and was hospitalized many times over the years. I don&#8217;t remember a time when she was not on medication for depression. I also don&#8217;t remember a timewhen i was not responsible for teh housework, cooking, laundry, etc. I left school after 8th grade because I felt so responsible for taking care of everyone in the family that I was unable to function in class for worrying about everything. I was home schooled by a tutor instead, that way I could</p>
<p>I thought I had handled all the trauma this caused me years ago, but recently I have not ever felt such anger as I feel lately. I have married and divorced one alcoholic husband, and am currently married to another alcoholic. </p>
<p>I am miserable at home, at work, and in every aspect of my life. I cannot forgive my mother for doing this to me, and I don&#8217;t know where to turn for any help. I feel like getting in my car and driving as far away as I can get from everyone and everything, and never coming back. Is there any hope when this had happened to someone and they are 42 and are still not over a childhood problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very interesting insights here.  It is my view that once the personality is set, only so much change is possible.  Because of this, I believe that parents who emotionally parentify their children, probably aren&#039;t fully capable of not doing so, just as the children of such, probably aren&#039;t fully capable of overcoming the impact it has had on their personalities.  

It may be a good idea to accept that free will may be limited in this regard, so as to set realistic expectations for therapeutic results that will not lead to compounded frustrations. 

&#039;Know Thyself&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very interesting insights here.  It is my view that once the personality is set, only so much change is possible.  Because of this, I believe that parents who emotionally parentify their children, probably aren&#8217;t fully capable of not doing so, just as the children of such, probably aren&#8217;t fully capable of overcoming the impact it has had on their personalities.  </p>
<p>It may be a good idea to accept that free will may be limited in this regard, so as to set realistic expectations for therapeutic results that will not lead to compounded frustrations. </p>
<p>&#8216;Know Thyself&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr Sam

I am going through a very dark time in my life and i have been feeling doomed lately, i&#039;m sorry to say. 

I pretty much lost my adolescence and early adulthood to a very bizarre form of caregiving. It went on for so many years, i do not have any idea how to heal. I finally fled for seattle in 1995, at the age of 26, and it still took me another 3 years to get sort of a life going.

 I had to push my father (he had MS) back and forth from work every day and up and down 3 flights of stairs, because my parents refused to move when he got ill. This went on from age 13 to way in the 20&#039;s. My mother would go off on anger tantrums spontaneously and would up caring for her mood swings as well. There was no freedom in my upbringing, everything from her was &quot;i don&#039;t care, you&#039;re going to do it anyway&quot;. 

They also emotionally abandoned me to a child molester from the church who was allowed to become a close part of our family. 

I missed out on dating, dances, proms, you name it. I have no idea what it was to be a teenager and now i cannot even watch programs or movies with teenage situations without developing a serious migraine headache and other things. 

There&#039;s a lot more but it&#039;s hard to put it all down here. I have a good adult life, but i can&#039;t get past the horrific memories and my anger is incredibly strong. I am so burned out right now, it&#039;s hard to do my business at times, and i am feeling very depressed these days. I&#039;ve been to 8 counselors, 1 was a bit ok, 2 were incredibly bad and the others were just ineffective. The problem is that none of them seemed qualified for this particular disorder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr Sam</p>
<p>I am going through a very dark time in my life and i have been feeling doomed lately, i&#8217;m sorry to say. </p>
<p>I pretty much lost my adolescence and early adulthood to a very bizarre form of caregiving. It went on for so many years, i do not have any idea how to heal. I finally fled for seattle in 1995, at the age of 26, and it still took me another 3 years to get sort of a life going.</p>
<p> I had to push my father (he had MS) back and forth from work every day and up and down 3 flights of stairs, because my parents refused to move when he got ill. This went on from age 13 to way in the 20&#8242;s. My mother would go off on anger tantrums spontaneously and would up caring for her mood swings as well. There was no freedom in my upbringing, everything from her was &#8220;i don&#8217;t care, you&#8217;re going to do it anyway&#8221;. </p>
<p>They also emotionally abandoned me to a child molester from the church who was allowed to become a close part of our family. </p>
<p>I missed out on dating, dances, proms, you name it. I have no idea what it was to be a teenager and now i cannot even watch programs or movies with teenage situations without developing a serious migraine headache and other things. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more but it&#8217;s hard to put it all down here. I have a good adult life, but i can&#8217;t get past the horrific memories and my anger is incredibly strong. I am so burned out right now, it&#8217;s hard to do my business at times, and i am feeling very depressed these days. I&#8217;ve been to 8 counselors, 1 was a bit ok, 2 were incredibly bad and the others were just ineffective. The problem is that none of them seemed qualified for this particular disorder</p>
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		<title>By: targetnomore</title>
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		<dc:creator>targetnomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Sam,
The court ordered psychologist in our situation seems to believe that my parentified stepson should be raised knowing that he will one day have to care for his mother.

There is no doubt that the mother has used my stepson, now 13, as a surrogate husband since my husband left.  From the time he was 7, he has been making the decisions in her household.  She is an alcoholic and suspected of having a personality disorder, according to the custody evaluator.  The court ordered psychologist believes she is multiple personality.

My stepson is diagnosed learning disabled and possible having Aspergers.  He is emotionally flat the better part of the time and avoids social situations.  We don&#039;t know what to attribute to what ... the court order psychologist seems to believe that we want to blame her for his issues.  That&#039;s far from the case, we are trying to find the best way to help him.

On the bright side, we managed to get sole legal custody of him and his time with mom is limited. 

Is the court ordered psychologist potentially doing more damage than good by implying that this child will have to take care of his mother in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sam,<br />
The court ordered psychologist in our situation seems to believe that my parentified stepson should be raised knowing that he will one day have to care for his mother.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that the mother has used my stepson, now 13, as a surrogate husband since my husband left.  From the time he was 7, he has been making the decisions in her household.  She is an alcoholic and suspected of having a personality disorder, according to the custody evaluator.  The court ordered psychologist believes she is multiple personality.</p>
<p>My stepson is diagnosed learning disabled and possible having Aspergers.  He is emotionally flat the better part of the time and avoids social situations.  We don&#8217;t know what to attribute to what &#8230; the court order psychologist seems to believe that we want to blame her for his issues.  That&#8217;s far from the case, we are trying to find the best way to help him.</p>
<p>On the bright side, we managed to get sole legal custody of him and his time with mom is limited. </p>
<p>Is the court ordered psychologist potentially doing more damage than good by implying that this child will have to take care of his mother in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the words that the parentified child is not doomed......
It has taken many years  for me to catch up in life after caretaking my adult child mother and i still feel guilty as i get on with my life and yet my life is so far behind my friends i feel enraged at times its unfair and incredibly frustrating perhaps i am also to blame in some way as i find it so hard to move on from the child into the adult as both my parents were are dysfunctional and adult children it has taken years of therapy and programme thank god for the fellowships the 12 step programmes are a godsend  a gift and a way of life i never could have imagined i send everyone peace and healing and patience as the road of healing and ubderstanding and forgivess is long and not always straight nor pretty !!!
Hugs
Laura x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the words that the parentified child is not doomed&#8230;&#8230;<br />
It has taken many years  for me to catch up in life after caretaking my adult child mother and i still feel guilty as i get on with my life and yet my life is so far behind my friends i feel enraged at times its unfair and incredibly frustrating perhaps i am also to blame in some way as i find it so hard to move on from the child into the adult as both my parents were are dysfunctional and adult children it has taken years of therapy and programme thank god for the fellowships the 12 step programmes are a godsend  a gift and a way of life i never could have imagined i send everyone peace and healing and patience as the road of healing and ubderstanding and forgivess is long and not always straight nor pretty !!!<br />
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Laura x</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this site today after one of my professors mentioned the term &quot;parentified child&quot; in one of my family development classes. I had not heard this term before but I am guessing I am a parentified child. I&#039;ve had emotional difficulties for much of my life (I&#039;m 44).  

My situation involved so many issues, being bounced around from the time I was born with different primary care givers, changing schools about 20 times from K-12th grades. My mother uprooted our lives when I was 6 to live in a Volkswagen van so that she could keep her musician boyfriend happy. We left my dad, grandparents, toys, basically everything behind. We were left in the van in the parking lot in downtown Denver Co. in the winter so she could hang out and work in the bar all night (from 8pm-2am).  We lived in a RV for 2 years, one year I changed schools 5 times. 

For many of those years I was supposed to be the protector of my little sister (2 years younger). We had to walk the dog at the park alone, there were often pedophiles and flashers at the park who would find us because we were the only unsupervised kids there.

When we did live in a house we were responsible for most of the cleaning - because as she put it &quot;they made the money so we would have a place to live, we needed to do our fair share&quot; but that included doing all dishes, laundry, cleaning bathrooms, yard work, cleaning up their messes in the common areas, etc.  We regularly had to talk 5 blocks to the store and carry multiple bags of groceries home, especially when my mom ran out of Tab (her favorite diet drink). I remember the bags being so heavy and us sitting down and crying while we were on our home because we were frustrated that we were only halfway there. 

When ever my mom was home she was usually &quot;sick&quot; (she is psychosomatic about EVERYTHING!!!!). She would stay in bed reading a book, we often had to wait on her hand and foot &quot;could you get me a drink of water&quot; &quot;could you make/bring me some food&quot;.  I have very few memories of her being well.  

I honestly was happier when they were working all night, because at least when they were gone I could relax and do what I wanted. Otherwise we would be punished/scolded for being to loud or just behaving like regular children.  

We watched them have terrible fights (yelling, screaming, things being thrown, walls and windows breaking), and eventually were called upon to mediate, and how scary that was because we knew that one wrong word and we could accidentally make it worse. 

My step dad started detaching from my mom and started using me as an emotional surrogate. He would often talk to me about his sex life with my mom, which totally mortified me. He would ask me to keep him company while he took a hot bath (no bubbles either to hide anything), he would give me full body sensual massages (which I hated!) but to protest only caused problems because he would get all sulky and sullen. To keep the peace I had to hug him and let him be affectionate.  Now I know (from my classes) that there was sexual abuse going on, it is true that my step-dad didn&#039;t actually molest me or have sex with me, but he admitted to my mother while I was a teen that one of his sexual fantasies was that he could have a 3-way with me, my mom and himself. I always hated his neediness, how he had to hug me by pressing his whole body against me (particularly his groin area). 

Those are just a few things that happened.  

The thing that bothers me most now is the way all of those things happened and none of our other family members knew about that, it was our family &quot;secret&quot;. My mom reinvents the past and puts a positive spin on everything by at times completely forgetting certain details (&quot;I was just doing my best, sorry my best wasnt good enough for you&quot;). The rest of her family is sure good about pointing out how something is wrong with me, and at the same time they defend my mom, because anything angry I say about her they protest &quot;that&#039;s my sister you are talking about&quot; - ya!  and that&#039;s my MOTHER I am talking about!

Right now I only have contact with my mom and my sister.  I refuse to be a part of a family system that scapegoats or judges me.  Yes it is true that I have problems, but that they refuse to acknowledge my moms part in that really pisses me off.

I have been counseling many times and many years since I was 18 years old. I often paid for my counseling expenses without the aid of insurance, paying for it all out of pocket.  I have come so far and have overcome so much.  They know none of that, one uncle in particular thinks he knows more about me than I know about myself and because he&#039;s a doctor thinks he can &quot;diagnose&quot; me.

I don&#039;t even know why I am writing all of this.  Perhaps is it just to get it out, get some of it on the record. My family (actually on both mothers and fathers side) often wonders what is wrong with me, and I just can&#039;t take that anymore. I don&#039;t want anything to do with any of them.  I&#039;ve been diagnosed with P.T.S.D., attachment disorder, A.D.D., depression and more I&#039;m sure, I can&#039;t even remember it all.  I&#039;m just mad that the family judgments come to me when in fact they know very very little about what really happened. It hurts me, and honestly I don&#039;t feel like allowing them to hurt me anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this site today after one of my professors mentioned the term &#8220;parentified child&#8221; in one of my family development classes. I had not heard this term before but I am guessing I am a parentified child. I&#8217;ve had emotional difficulties for much of my life (I&#8217;m 44).  </p>
<p>My situation involved so many issues, being bounced around from the time I was born with different primary care givers, changing schools about 20 times from K-12th grades. My mother uprooted our lives when I was 6 to live in a Volkswagen van so that she could keep her musician boyfriend happy. We left my dad, grandparents, toys, basically everything behind. We were left in the van in the parking lot in downtown Denver Co. in the winter so she could hang out and work in the bar all night (from 8pm-2am).  We lived in a RV for 2 years, one year I changed schools 5 times. </p>
<p>For many of those years I was supposed to be the protector of my little sister (2 years younger). We had to walk the dog at the park alone, there were often pedophiles and flashers at the park who would find us because we were the only unsupervised kids there.</p>
<p>When we did live in a house we were responsible for most of the cleaning &#8211; because as she put it &#8220;they made the money so we would have a place to live, we needed to do our fair share&#8221; but that included doing all dishes, laundry, cleaning bathrooms, yard work, cleaning up their messes in the common areas, etc.  We regularly had to talk 5 blocks to the store and carry multiple bags of groceries home, especially when my mom ran out of Tab (her favorite diet drink). I remember the bags being so heavy and us sitting down and crying while we were on our home because we were frustrated that we were only halfway there. </p>
<p>When ever my mom was home she was usually &#8220;sick&#8221; (she is psychosomatic about EVERYTHING!!!!). She would stay in bed reading a book, we often had to wait on her hand and foot &#8220;could you get me a drink of water&#8221; &#8220;could you make/bring me some food&#8221;.  I have very few memories of her being well.  </p>
<p>I honestly was happier when they were working all night, because at least when they were gone I could relax and do what I wanted. Otherwise we would be punished/scolded for being to loud or just behaving like regular children.  </p>
<p>We watched them have terrible fights (yelling, screaming, things being thrown, walls and windows breaking), and eventually were called upon to mediate, and how scary that was because we knew that one wrong word and we could accidentally make it worse. </p>
<p>My step dad started detaching from my mom and started using me as an emotional surrogate. He would often talk to me about his sex life with my mom, which totally mortified me. He would ask me to keep him company while he took a hot bath (no bubbles either to hide anything), he would give me full body sensual massages (which I hated!) but to protest only caused problems because he would get all sulky and sullen. To keep the peace I had to hug him and let him be affectionate.  Now I know (from my classes) that there was sexual abuse going on, it is true that my step-dad didn&#8217;t actually molest me or have sex with me, but he admitted to my mother while I was a teen that one of his sexual fantasies was that he could have a 3-way with me, my mom and himself. I always hated his neediness, how he had to hug me by pressing his whole body against me (particularly his groin area). </p>
<p>Those are just a few things that happened.  </p>
<p>The thing that bothers me most now is the way all of those things happened and none of our other family members knew about that, it was our family &#8220;secret&#8221;. My mom reinvents the past and puts a positive spin on everything by at times completely forgetting certain details (&#8220;I was just doing my best, sorry my best wasnt good enough for you&#8221;). The rest of her family is sure good about pointing out how something is wrong with me, and at the same time they defend my mom, because anything angry I say about her they protest &#8220;that&#8217;s my sister you are talking about&#8221; &#8211; ya!  and that&#8217;s my MOTHER I am talking about!</p>
<p>Right now I only have contact with my mom and my sister.  I refuse to be a part of a family system that scapegoats or judges me.  Yes it is true that I have problems, but that they refuse to acknowledge my moms part in that really pisses me off.</p>
<p>I have been counseling many times and many years since I was 18 years old. I often paid for my counseling expenses without the aid of insurance, paying for it all out of pocket.  I have come so far and have overcome so much.  They know none of that, one uncle in particular thinks he knows more about me than I know about myself and because he&#8217;s a doctor thinks he can &#8220;diagnose&#8221; me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know why I am writing all of this.  Perhaps is it just to get it out, get some of it on the record. My family (actually on both mothers and fathers side) often wonders what is wrong with me, and I just can&#8217;t take that anymore. I don&#8217;t want anything to do with any of them.  I&#8217;ve been diagnosed with P.T.S.D., attachment disorder, A.D.D., depression and more I&#8217;m sure, I can&#8217;t even remember it all.  I&#8217;m just mad that the family judgments come to me when in fact they know very very little about what really happened. It hurts me, and honestly I don&#8217;t feel like allowing them to hurt me anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyndie Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyndie Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a 31 year old neice who I have been close to most of her life. When she was 13 I took her in to live with my 12 year old son and me. She was always considered a problem child by her mother-my sister in law. My siblings and I have always had the ability to see situations that to most would be overlooked, at best. We usually understood why people did the things they did on a deeper level. 
     My reason for bringing this point out is that at least three or four times through my neices growing up, one or the other of us confirmed the belief that she (my neice) was simply being made to carry the guilt, shame and pain that my sister in law suffered as a child. Her mother died when she was five, and she was dropped off one day at her grandparents door by her truck driver, alchoholic father. From that time on she was the &quot;orphan child&quot;. She was made to feel like she was in the way. She was molested by her grandfather and probsbly her brothers. They were a well known family in a small town, and she had cousins that also lived at the grandparents. 
     She grew up in this family and didnt lack for anything, and in spite of being very shy and timid became the FFA queen and got perfect grades. She was allowed to drive the family car to school events and other places. I met her through one of her cousins whom I was dating in the 11th grade. It was his idea to set her and my brother up to go out. She was pretty, and always pretended to be outgoing and unafraid. But she did have an underlying anger, and made it clear from the beginning that she didnt like it when I was around my brother. She was very jealous. 
     At one point my brother attempted to break it off with her. He wasn&#039;t in love with her. She simply became pushy and demanding and he gave in. They were married later that year. 
     She got pregnant shortly afterward and continued the habit of drinking throughout her pregnancy, which she was introduced to by my brother and me. She was a chain smoker even in high school. 
     She gave birth to a premature baby girl on April 29, 1978. A baby so tiny my brother could hold her in his palm. It was evident that she didnt much like the baby. She was always doing things like dropping ashes on her forehead. She would put her to bed and close the door and let her cry herself to sleep in the dark. 
     My neice was a dynamic child, very intelligent and high energy, with platnum blond hair and shocking blue eyes. Her mother started making comments to anyone who would listen, like: &quot;There&#039;s something wrong with her. She&#039;s not a normal baby. I think she&#039;s gonna be kind of crazy like your sister&quot;. (I have an older sister who has a mental disorder) And on and on. My siblings and I would exchange looks, and say &quot;no she&#039;s not, she&#039;s fine&quot; But she would then laugh hysterically and say &quot;Yes she is&quot;
     My neice grew up thinking she was the outcast-she had two younger sisters who were treated better. Because she was always bad, a trouble maker. From what she has told me she witnessed a murder at the age of 11. She has been raped, been a hellraiser her whole life, spent more than a year in a mental institution, and that much time in jail as well. She has lost (or given up) two children and is now raising a third. She still acts like a little abused child and as if she doesnt deserve anything good. 
     Her mother died of lung cancer in December of &#039;08. She began calling me and attempting to reconnect with me. Her dad is distant and of no help to her, as usual. So I slowly began to introduce the idea of her mother living out her past through my neice, vicariously. She didnt reject the idea, and finally told me that four days before dying her mom had demanded her to &#039;give it all back-now&#039; over the phone. She told my neice that she was going to the grave and would take it there with her, and cried and apologized. 
     I asked her what that meant to her, and if she understood the totality of it. She weakly said she did. Since then she calls me five or six times a week from out of state. She has been on medication for things like multiple personilty disorder for a long time. I have witnessed her taking on a few different personalities over the years, but I never thought she was truly mentally ill. I believe it&#039;s more a lifetime of programming. I say that because I grew up with someone who was mentally ill, and it&#039;s easy for me to spot the signs of the illness. My neice has never shown any of those symptoms, only sudden bursts of acted out craziness, all of her life. 
     It is my hope that now that her mother is dead and can no longer use her as a scapegoat, she may have a chance to heal and live a normal life. And although she has caused me and my family much grief and embarrassment for many years, I would still love to help her now. But she&#039;s beaten down and numb from the tragic life she&#039;s lived. 
     Is there any case history supporting what I am hoping could happen for her? I know better than to pull her to close, because at some point in her mind, I often become the enemy. I dont want to go there-but if she can eventually see what has really been done to her, I feel like she might become her own person at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 31 year old neice who I have been close to most of her life. When she was 13 I took her in to live with my 12 year old son and me. She was always considered a problem child by her mother-my sister in law. My siblings and I have always had the ability to see situations that to most would be overlooked, at best. We usually understood why people did the things they did on a deeper level.<br />
     My reason for bringing this point out is that at least three or four times through my neices growing up, one or the other of us confirmed the belief that she (my neice) was simply being made to carry the guilt, shame and pain that my sister in law suffered as a child. Her mother died when she was five, and she was dropped off one day at her grandparents door by her truck driver, alchoholic father. From that time on she was the &#8220;orphan child&#8221;. She was made to feel like she was in the way. She was molested by her grandfather and probsbly her brothers. They were a well known family in a small town, and she had cousins that also lived at the grandparents.<br />
     She grew up in this family and didnt lack for anything, and in spite of being very shy and timid became the FFA queen and got perfect grades. She was allowed to drive the family car to school events and other places. I met her through one of her cousins whom I was dating in the 11th grade. It was his idea to set her and my brother up to go out. She was pretty, and always pretended to be outgoing and unafraid. But she did have an underlying anger, and made it clear from the beginning that she didnt like it when I was around my brother. She was very jealous.<br />
     At one point my brother attempted to break it off with her. He wasn&#8217;t in love with her. She simply became pushy and demanding and he gave in. They were married later that year.<br />
     She got pregnant shortly afterward and continued the habit of drinking throughout her pregnancy, which she was introduced to by my brother and me. She was a chain smoker even in high school.<br />
     She gave birth to a premature baby girl on April 29, 1978. A baby so tiny my brother could hold her in his palm. It was evident that she didnt much like the baby. She was always doing things like dropping ashes on her forehead. She would put her to bed and close the door and let her cry herself to sleep in the dark.<br />
     My neice was a dynamic child, very intelligent and high energy, with platnum blond hair and shocking blue eyes. Her mother started making comments to anyone who would listen, like: &#8220;There&#8217;s something wrong with her. She&#8217;s not a normal baby. I think she&#8217;s gonna be kind of crazy like your sister&#8221;. (I have an older sister who has a mental disorder) And on and on. My siblings and I would exchange looks, and say &#8220;no she&#8217;s not, she&#8217;s fine&#8221; But she would then laugh hysterically and say &#8220;Yes she is&#8221;<br />
     My neice grew up thinking she was the outcast-she had two younger sisters who were treated better. Because she was always bad, a trouble maker. From what she has told me she witnessed a murder at the age of 11. She has been raped, been a hellraiser her whole life, spent more than a year in a mental institution, and that much time in jail as well. She has lost (or given up) two children and is now raising a third. She still acts like a little abused child and as if she doesnt deserve anything good.<br />
     Her mother died of lung cancer in December of &#8217;08. She began calling me and attempting to reconnect with me. Her dad is distant and of no help to her, as usual. So I slowly began to introduce the idea of her mother living out her past through my neice, vicariously. She didnt reject the idea, and finally told me that four days before dying her mom had demanded her to &#8216;give it all back-now&#8217; over the phone. She told my neice that she was going to the grave and would take it there with her, and cried and apologized.<br />
     I asked her what that meant to her, and if she understood the totality of it. She weakly said she did. Since then she calls me five or six times a week from out of state. She has been on medication for things like multiple personilty disorder for a long time. I have witnessed her taking on a few different personalities over the years, but I never thought she was truly mentally ill. I believe it&#8217;s more a lifetime of programming. I say that because I grew up with someone who was mentally ill, and it&#8217;s easy for me to spot the signs of the illness. My neice has never shown any of those symptoms, only sudden bursts of acted out craziness, all of her life.<br />
     It is my hope that now that her mother is dead and can no longer use her as a scapegoat, she may have a chance to heal and live a normal life. And although she has caused me and my family much grief and embarrassment for many years, I would still love to help her now. But she&#8217;s beaten down and numb from the tragic life she&#8217;s lived.<br />
     Is there any case history supporting what I am hoping could happen for her? I know better than to pull her to close, because at some point in her mind, I often become the enemy. I dont want to go there-but if she can eventually see what has really been done to her, I feel like she might become her own person at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Am I in an Emotionally Abusive Relationship with a Narcissistic or Borderline Woman? &#171; A Shrink for Men</title>
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		<dc:creator>Am I in an Emotionally Abusive Relationship with a Narcissistic or Borderline Woman? &#171; A Shrink for Men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is that she&#8217;s the oldest child and, as such, in an abusive family, she probably became the parentified child. Meaning that at an early age she felt she had to or was required by her parents to take care [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a comment about some of the information presented above on parentification.  I question the label that&#039;s being applied to the condition.  If a child is thought to be fullfilling a parent&#039;s emotional needs, then why label the malady &quot;parentification&quot;?  The child has become more like their parent&#039;s spouse.  Twenty years ago when social scientists were looking at this phenomenom they tended to view it more a form of &quot;espousement&quot;, which seems more fitting a term than &quot;parentification&quot;.  If a child becomes the parent&#039;s surrogate spouse, then they have become more like the parent&#039;s partner and intimate (an equal) rather than another parent.  Something far more insidious is implied in this type of relationship than merely the child who takes on parental responsibilities (cooking, cleaning) around the home.  Why not label the condition what it is?  -- A child who becomes a parent&#039;s emotional (or physical) &quot;surrogate&quot; ain&#039;t just a parent to that adult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a comment about some of the information presented above on parentification.  I question the label that&#8217;s being applied to the condition.  If a child is thought to be fullfilling a parent&#8217;s emotional needs, then why label the malady &#8220;parentification&#8221;?  The child has become more like their parent&#8217;s spouse.  Twenty years ago when social scientists were looking at this phenomenom they tended to view it more a form of &#8220;espousement&#8221;, which seems more fitting a term than &#8220;parentification&#8221;.  If a child becomes the parent&#8217;s surrogate spouse, then they have become more like the parent&#8217;s partner and intimate (an equal) rather than another parent.  Something far more insidious is implied in this type of relationship than merely the child who takes on parental responsibilities (cooking, cleaning) around the home.  Why not label the condition what it is?  &#8212; A child who becomes a parent&#8217;s emotional (or physical) &#8220;surrogate&#8221; ain&#8217;t just a parent to that adult.</p>
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