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		<title>By: Why TechAviv and technology in general lacks female entrepreneurs (Part 1) : Israel Innovation 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why TechAviv and technology in general lacks female entrepreneurs (Part 1) : Israel Innovation 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One reason psychologists have found is that women perform lower in math when conscious of gender stereotypes and get turned off that way. Another study explains that young women tend to avoid careers in math, science and engineering “because they view science as a solitary rather than a social occupation” and uninteresting. Instead many are in public relations, education and psychology. The main theory that has been presented in recent years is based on the amount of confidence given by parents and teachers in these areas- “the self-confidence instilled by parents and teachers is more important for young girls learning math and science than their initial interest.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One reason psychologists have found is that women perform lower in math when conscious of gender stereotypes and get turned off that way. Another study explains that young women tend to avoid careers in math, science and engineering “because they view science as a solitary rather than a social occupation” and uninteresting. Instead many are in public relations, education and psychology. The main theory that has been presented in recent years is based on the amount of confidence given by parents and teachers in these areas- “the self-confidence instilled by parents and teachers is more important for young girls learning math and science than their initial interest.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Halff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Halff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts on this issue.

First, with respect to gender bias in tests, most of the bruhaha seems to be about differences in the average performance or variance. If either of these statistics really do bias a test, we can apply whatever correction is needed to render test scores equally predictive of criterial performance.

What we really have to worry about is differential validity. If a test, in some sense, is more informative or accurate concerning, say, girls&#039; abilities than boys&#039;, then the test really is biased and no amount of fiddling with the scores will remove that bias.

Second, all, or almost all of the studies cited in this article are cross-sectional, and I&#039;d bet that none of them go past the age of 21. (There are probably some uncited studies out there of the 70+ crowd.) But most folks, actually start putting their talents to good use after they get out of college. What we really need to know is how different populations fare at mathematical tasks that they encounter in real life and work in adulthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts on this issue.</p>
<p>First, with respect to gender bias in tests, most of the bruhaha seems to be about differences in the average performance or variance. If either of these statistics really do bias a test, we can apply whatever correction is needed to render test scores equally predictive of criterial performance.</p>
<p>What we really have to worry about is differential validity. If a test, in some sense, is more informative or accurate concerning, say, girls&#8217; abilities than boys&#8217;, then the test really is biased and no amount of fiddling with the scores will remove that bias.</p>
<p>Second, all, or almost all of the studies cited in this article are cross-sectional, and I&#8217;d bet that none of them go past the age of 21. (There are probably some uncited studies out there of the 70+ crowd.) But most folks, actually start putting their talents to good use after they get out of college. What we really need to know is how different populations fare at mathematical tasks that they encounter in real life and work in adulthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Faye Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faye Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem number one:  The NCLB test scores cannot be considered gospel. Too many teachers, due to political, community and administrative pressure, cheated on the tests.  With all the known scandals (and we can only guess at the unknown scandals) involving these tests, who in their right intellectual mind, use these as the basis of a study?  I don&#039;t have any problem with the results BUT you can&#039;t determine this from those tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem number one:  The NCLB test scores cannot be considered gospel. Too many teachers, due to political, community and administrative pressure, cheated on the tests.  With all the known scandals (and we can only guess at the unknown scandals) involving these tests, who in their right intellectual mind, use these as the basis of a study?  I don&#8217;t have any problem with the results BUT you can&#8217;t determine this from those tests.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/08/02/myth-busted-girls-cant-do-math/comment-page-1/#comment-554107</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the title to the last sentence of the article, you clearly left the impression that there are no important differences in mathematical aptitude between females and males and that &quot;cultural&quot; forces and &quot;stereotypes&quot; were the only important factors worthy of consideration. This is extremely mis-leading in that, as I said, it ignores the well- documented differences in variability. I wouldn&#039;t call this &quot;just reporting&quot; as it appears to be clearly motivated by a non-scientific, political agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the title to the last sentence of the article, you clearly left the impression that there are no important differences in mathematical aptitude between females and males and that &#8220;cultural&#8221; forces and &#8220;stereotypes&#8221; were the only important factors worthy of consideration. This is extremely mis-leading in that, as I said, it ignores the well- documented differences in variability. I wouldn&#8217;t call this &#8220;just reporting&#8221; as it appears to be clearly motivated by a non-scientific, political agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@William... We just report on the research, we don&#039;t always have all the studies in front of us in order to conduct in-depth statistical analyses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@William&#8230; We just report on the research, we don&#8217;t always have all the studies in front of us in order to conduct in-depth statistical analyses.</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night I was explaining to my 9 year old daughter that in the 1970&#039;s, girls had no current female role models.  I was Martha Washington on Halloween!  This is relevent to the math conversation this morning.

I think that the birth control pill, more than anything else, is responsible for women&#039;s success in a career.  The fact that there are few women who equal Einstein or Curie in professional intellect has more to do with the fact that women have, over the ages, had to take care of their children rather than pursue a career.  

Men have had the luxury of concentrating on their career but women, if they had the rare gift of a wealthy family to give them independence, still had children to watch over instead of nurturing their career and intellect in a public way.  Children take up an alarming amount of time and emotional energy!

My daughter is just as good as her brother in math and he is better than average with his verbal skills, in spite of being dyslexic.  

I believe that nature vs. nurture is absolutely at work.  My mom told me that she noticed that teachers would promote boys&#039; participation in class during math even though she was just as capable in solving problems.

Perhaps the people who had control of publishing the data were men?  thank goodness my husband, an engineer believes in his daughter and is able to help her at home when her teachers fail; not much help for the rest of the young women in America.

Which by the way, leads to another important question about math in America; with the NCLB as the focus in schools now, will the information gained about the difference in teaching early math to European children be tossed?

U.S. children are taught to understand math by rote instead of theory while European children are taught theory and are much better until U.S. kids go to University and there, they are taught theory.   Complex v. simple; NCLB v. European?  I can&#039;t see this as positive.  Anymore than the idiocy that thought to teach children how to read without phonics!  Which by the way, in the UK, dyslexia is much lower and they have phonics programs available on the net for kids; I have used them in the US for my son because there is nothing like that here.  

Can you believe that we were already dumbed down&#039; and now w/ Bush&#039;s NCLB, we are even dumber?

I am still not voting for Obama, I find that a man who can laugh at himself (McCain)is often more intelligent and all encompassing in thought than a man who is constantly telling people not to throw stones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I was explaining to my 9 year old daughter that in the 1970&#8242;s, girls had no current female role models.  I was Martha Washington on Halloween!  This is relevent to the math conversation this morning.</p>
<p>I think that the birth control pill, more than anything else, is responsible for women&#8217;s success in a career.  The fact that there are few women who equal Einstein or Curie in professional intellect has more to do with the fact that women have, over the ages, had to take care of their children rather than pursue a career.  </p>
<p>Men have had the luxury of concentrating on their career but women, if they had the rare gift of a wealthy family to give them independence, still had children to watch over instead of nurturing their career and intellect in a public way.  Children take up an alarming amount of time and emotional energy!</p>
<p>My daughter is just as good as her brother in math and he is better than average with his verbal skills, in spite of being dyslexic.  </p>
<p>I believe that nature vs. nurture is absolutely at work.  My mom told me that she noticed that teachers would promote boys&#8217; participation in class during math even though she was just as capable in solving problems.</p>
<p>Perhaps the people who had control of publishing the data were men?  thank goodness my husband, an engineer believes in his daughter and is able to help her at home when her teachers fail; not much help for the rest of the young women in America.</p>
<p>Which by the way, leads to another important question about math in America; with the NCLB as the focus in schools now, will the information gained about the difference in teaching early math to European children be tossed?</p>
<p>U.S. children are taught to understand math by rote instead of theory while European children are taught theory and are much better until U.S. kids go to University and there, they are taught theory.   Complex v. simple; NCLB v. European?  I can&#8217;t see this as positive.  Anymore than the idiocy that thought to teach children how to read without phonics!  Which by the way, in the UK, dyslexia is much lower and they have phonics programs available on the net for kids; I have used them in the US for my son because there is nothing like that here.  </p>
<p>Can you believe that we were already dumbed down&#8217; and now w/ Bush&#8217;s NCLB, we are even dumber?</p>
<p>I am still not voting for Obama, I find that a man who can laugh at himself (McCain)is often more intelligent and all encompassing in thought than a man who is constantly telling people not to throw stones.</p>
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		<title>By: Math Resources Blog &#187; Myth Busted: Girls Can’t Do Math</title>
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		<dc:creator>Math Resources Blog &#187; Myth Busted: Girls Can’t Do Math</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought it was weird since, as a male, I&#039;m horrible at math and have met females that are better than me at it. Especially the female math teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was weird since, as a male, I&#8217;m horrible at math and have met females that are better than me at it. Especially the female math teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon...I neglected to add that even small differences in variance ratios will result in relatively large differences in the absolute number of males and females in the extreme ends of the distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon&#8230;I neglected to add that even small differences in variance ratios will result in relatively large differences in the absolute number of males and females in the extreme ends of the distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, you haven&#039;t discovered the difference between sex differences in means and sex differences in variances. Male ability in math skill is, like many other ability and personality variables, more variable than for females. This means that, at the extreme upper and lower tails of the distribution, there will be over-representation by males accounting for, among other things, larger proportions of males in high-end math-related programs and occupations. 

I won&#039;t bother with the many citations over the years that have established this fact. A simple Google search would suffice. I received my Ph.D. in experimental psychology in 1987 and this was well-known even then. I continue to look forward to the day when &quot;cargo-cult&quot; social &quot;scientists&quot; (usually of the clinical variety) will shelve their political agenda long enough to understand some statistics (I&#039;m a card-carrying social liberal, by the way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, you haven&#8217;t discovered the difference between sex differences in means and sex differences in variances. Male ability in math skill is, like many other ability and personality variables, more variable than for females. This means that, at the extreme upper and lower tails of the distribution, there will be over-representation by males accounting for, among other things, larger proportions of males in high-end math-related programs and occupations. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bother with the many citations over the years that have established this fact. A simple Google search would suffice. I received my Ph.D. in experimental psychology in 1987 and this was well-known even then. I continue to look forward to the day when &#8220;cargo-cult&#8221; social &#8220;scientists&#8221; (usually of the clinical variety) will shelve their political agenda long enough to understand some statistics (I&#8217;m a card-carrying social liberal, by the way).</p>
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		<title>By: odd girl out &#124; hotwordstoday</title>
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		<dc:creator>odd girl out &#124; hotwordstoday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] odd girl out is one of the hot topic today, lot of people paid attention to odd girl out, and there are some articles about odd girl out , Here provided only parts of the contents, read more, please click the link in the article . Myth Busted: Girls Can’t Do Math [...]</description>
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