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	<title>Comments on: Why Virtual Whores Shouldn&#8217;t Play Virtual Psychologists</title>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-575091</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a cop out to pretend that using the word &quot;whore&quot; does not have negative implications and furthermore rationalize doing so in. Do yourself a favor and train yourself to be less reactive. The references are painfully out of date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cop out to pretend that using the word &#8220;whore&#8221; does not have negative implications and furthermore rationalize doing so in. Do yourself a favor and train yourself to be less reactive. The references are painfully out of date.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-472554</link>
		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time a blogger compares your gender to that of a canine and suggests this is useful information, let me know what the &quot;proper&quot; reaction is supposed to be and I&#039;ll make a note of it. (There was no personal attack; I used the same label she&#039;s used to describe herself, and then apologized for doing so when she took umbrage at it.) 

Sadly, no one has actually refuted the meat of the entry. Simply saying, &quot;Sorry, those references don&#039;t apply&quot; isn&#039;t a refutation. Peer-reviewed research, for better or worse, is what we use to understand human psychological behavior. While individual stories can be helpful to illustrate personal experiences, you can&#039;t draw generalized conclusions from such information.

Dogs can be trained. To suggest men are basically the same as a dog is offensive and a simplistic reductio ad absurdum argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time a blogger compares your gender to that of a canine and suggests this is useful information, let me know what the &#8220;proper&#8221; reaction is supposed to be and I&#8217;ll make a note of it. (There was no personal attack; I used the same label she&#8217;s used to describe herself, and then apologized for doing so when she took umbrage at it.) </p>
<p>Sadly, no one has actually refuted the meat of the entry. Simply saying, &#8220;Sorry, those references don&#8217;t apply&#8221; isn&#8217;t a refutation. Peer-reviewed research, for better or worse, is what we use to understand human psychological behavior. While individual stories can be helpful to illustrate personal experiences, you can&#8217;t draw generalized conclusions from such information.</p>
<p>Dogs can be trained. To suggest men are basically the same as a dog is offensive and a simplistic reductio ad absurdum argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophrosyne Stenvaag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophrosyne Stenvaag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see - we have an ad hominem attack coupled with the inability to see that labels used within groups have different connotations that labels used from outside: there are people who can say &quot;nigger,&quot; and there are people who can say &quot;whore.&quot;  Privileged white men are neither.

Then we have the astonishing notion that academic research is more reflective of reality than direct, lived experience.  That&#039;s coupled with holding a blogger to an academic&#039;s standard, then refusing to be held to that standard onself when called on it. 

Women&#039;s sexual experiences have been denigrated and medicalized for over a century. While you may have little respect for sex workers, or for principles of logic, at least you respect some of the classics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8211; we have an ad hominem attack coupled with the inability to see that labels used within groups have different connotations that labels used from outside: there are people who can say &#8220;nigger,&#8221; and there are people who can say &#8220;whore.&#8221;  Privileged white men are neither.</p>
<p>Then we have the astonishing notion that academic research is more reflective of reality than direct, lived experience.  That&#8217;s coupled with holding a blogger to an academic&#8217;s standard, then refusing to be held to that standard onself when called on it. </p>
<p>Women&#8217;s sexual experiences have been denigrated and medicalized for over a century. While you may have little respect for sex workers, or for principles of logic, at least you respect some of the classics.</p>
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		<title>By: wordmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating take on another version of, &#039;My wife doesn&#039;t understand me.&#039; (I read Lillie Yifu&#039;s blog, including the part about how women wind up being viewed as sluts.)

Two questions for Ms. Yifu: 

-- Does this suggest that maybe the reverse will work? That we are as emotionally vacant as the men described, able to be trained like Pavlov&#039;s dogs to respond to the bell and work to be &#039;rewarded&#039; with something they withhold until we perform? 

-- Do you have a counterpart in your industry – a male selling sex to women - who could add a prostitute&#039;s take on &#039;My husband doesn&#039;t understand me&quot;? 

Well, okay, three questions - do you have any thoughts about why 64% of men stay home? Most certainly only a fragment of that group shows up at your site and others for virtual sex, have the rest been trained?

I can&#039;t imagine a greater gift than being with a person who adds joy to life, one you (generic) respect and love being with ... one who also loves being with you because you&#039;re you, not because of what you are willing to do if he scrubs the pots and pans with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating take on another version of, &#8216;My wife doesn&#8217;t understand me.&#8217; (I read Lillie Yifu&#8217;s blog, including the part about how women wind up being viewed as sluts.)</p>
<p>Two questions for Ms. Yifu: </p>
<p>&#8211; Does this suggest that maybe the reverse will work? That we are as emotionally vacant as the men described, able to be trained like Pavlov&#8217;s dogs to respond to the bell and work to be &#8216;rewarded&#8217; with something they withhold until we perform? </p>
<p>&#8211; Do you have a counterpart in your industry – a male selling sex to women &#8211; who could add a prostitute&#8217;s take on &#8216;My husband doesn&#8217;t understand me&#8221;? </p>
<p>Well, okay, three questions &#8211; do you have any thoughts about why 64% of men stay home? Most certainly only a fragment of that group shows up at your site and others for virtual sex, have the rest been trained?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine a greater gift than being with a person who adds joy to life, one you (generic) respect and love being with &#8230; one who also loves being with you because you&#8217;re you, not because of what you are willing to do if he scrubs the pots and pans with you.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-471825</link>
		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to note that Ms. Yifu is now trying to get me to censor my own blog entry:

http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/rage-is-toxic.html

Not because she objects to my criticism of her unsophisticated take on male/female relationships, but because of a word I used to describe what she does in a virtual world. A term, by the way, that she has used to describe herself on &lt;a href=&quot;http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-i-have-stayed-escort.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at least more&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/turning-of-wheels.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;than one&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2007/08/citizens-conscience.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;occasion&lt;/a&gt; (she apparently prefers the term, &quot;pixel prostitute&quot;). So, if I offended Ms. Yifu by use of this word, my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that Ms. Yifu is now trying to get me to censor my own blog entry:</p>
<p><a href="http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/rage-is-toxic.html" rel="nofollow">http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/rage-is-toxic.html</a></p>
<p>Not because she objects to my criticism of her unsophisticated take on male/female relationships, but because of a word I used to describe what she does in a virtual world. A term, by the way, that she has used to describe herself on <a href="http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-i-have-stayed-escort.html" rel="nofollow">at least more</a> <a href="http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2008/04/turning-of-wheels.html" rel="nofollow">than one</a> <a href="http://sexsecond.blogspot.com/2007/08/citizens-conscience.html" rel="nofollow">occasion</a> (she apparently prefers the term, &#8220;pixel prostitute&#8221;). So, if I offended Ms. Yifu by use of this word, my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-471785</link>
		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ms. Yifu: The dictionary doesn&#039;t put emotional context on the definition of a word, and indeed Merriam-Webster has no problem with the word in noting it as a synonym for prostitute, or &quot;a woman who engages in sexual acts for money.&quot; As for references, well, at least I included some, no?

I believe in equal opportunity when it comes to contempt and pawning off one&#039;s simplistic observations as some sort of &quot;manual&quot; or guide to understanding the opposite gender. I would be equally contemptuous if such drivel came from a man, talking about how to better understand a woman by learning to &quot;train&quot; them, as you suggest for men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ms. Yifu: The dictionary doesn&#8217;t put emotional context on the definition of a word, and indeed Merriam-Webster has no problem with the word in noting it as a synonym for prostitute, or &#8220;a woman who engages in sexual acts for money.&#8221; As for references, well, at least I included some, no?</p>
<p>I believe in equal opportunity when it comes to contempt and pawning off one&#8217;s simplistic observations as some sort of &#8220;manual&#8221; or guide to understanding the opposite gender. I would be equally contemptuous if such drivel came from a man, talking about how to better understand a woman by learning to &#8220;train&#8221; them, as you suggest for men.</p>
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		<title>By: Sha</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-471721</link>
		<dc:creator>Sha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s almost as bad as Christian Carter&#039;s &#039;Catch Him and Keep Him - The Secret Psychology of All Men&#039; which he tries to flog to insecure, lonely women. 

For some reason he never replies to my emails asking why his psychology of ALL men only applies to heterosexual men from western developed countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost as bad as Christian Carter&#8217;s &#8216;Catch Him and Keep Him &#8211; The Secret Psychology of All Men&#8217; which he tries to flog to insecure, lonely women. </p>
<p>For some reason he never replies to my emails asking why his psychology of ALL men only applies to heterosexual men from western developed countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Lillie Yifu</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/04/22/why-virtual-whores-shouldnt-play-virtual-psychologists/comment-page-1/#comment-471671</link>
		<dc:creator>Lillie Yifu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why thank you for the link, and for proving my point. You call me a whore, a word which is an angry word, an insulting word. You also list references, but ones which are in no way supportive of your point. 

If you wanted to prove that you treat women you disagree with with contempt, there is no better way to do it than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why thank you for the link, and for proving my point. You call me a whore, a word which is an angry word, an insulting word. You also list references, but ones which are in no way supportive of your point. </p>
<p>If you wanted to prove that you treat women you disagree with with contempt, there is no better way to do it than this.</p>
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		<title>By: vesper de vil</title>
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		<dc:creator>vesper de vil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really appreciate this post, and i concentrated on gender studies and psychoanalytic theory during my english degree.  

i&#039;m against the objectification of any human, male or female.  

well-said, John!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really appreciate this post, and i concentrated on gender studies and psychoanalytic theory during my english degree.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m against the objectification of any human, male or female.  </p>
<p>well-said, John!</p>
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