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		<title>By: Mark Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 12:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So-called &quot;ethical standards&quot; should not obscure the greater risk posed by leaving these suicide VICTIMS in silence. If blogging provides a readily-accessible medium to communicate their pain, who is going to deny them the right to speak? We should not use the cover of &quot;contagion&quot; when suicide is a symptom of a larger, social disease, one which feeds upon the isolation enforced upon us by a modern society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So-called &#8220;ethical standards&#8221; should not obscure the greater risk posed by leaving these suicide VICTIMS in silence. If blogging provides a readily-accessible medium to communicate their pain, who is going to deny them the right to speak? We should not use the cover of &#8220;contagion&#8221; when suicide is a symptom of a larger, social disease, one which feeds upon the isolation enforced upon us by a modern society.</p>
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		<title>By: the new shelton wet/dry</title>
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		<dc:creator>the new shelton wet/dry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maija</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many claims posed in this article are absolute bullshit. Most people who contemplate suicide in fact think about it for months or even years before doing it (or attempting it). Sometimes the contemplation may take decades. Trying to imply that suicide is usually done on impulse is nothing but very unethical propaganda aimed on trying to make people forget the fact that suicide is a basic human right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many claims posed in this article are absolute bullshit. Most people who contemplate suicide in fact think about it for months or even years before doing it (or attempting it). Sometimes the contemplation may take decades. Trying to imply that suicide is usually done on impulse is nothing but very unethical propaganda aimed on trying to make people forget the fact that suicide is a basic human right.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on people, don&#039;t get disheartened. If we try and make her change her mind -- maybe, just maybe she&#039;ll restart the countdown:

http://kill90dayjane.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on people, don&#8217;t get disheartened. If we try and make her change her mind &#8212; maybe, just maybe she&#8217;ll restart the countdown:</p>
<p><a href="http://kill90dayjane.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kill90dayjane.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: mental health &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 90 Day Jane and Suicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>mental health &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 90 Day Jane and Suicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Nordland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nordland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding my input and your answer abow:
Good thing Google isn&#039;t a country then. And just because your country have restriction on freedom of speech doesn&#039;t meen it should be that way.

At any rate, I hope that the internet will be a place for all people to say whatever they want. Never before in human history have we had the possibility to study ourself as humans in this way - when ideas are not restricted/censored. 

For all we know, suicide might be the right thing for somebody, I don&#039;t think so! But who am I to decide how other should live their lives?

I&#039;m sorry for my wired stance, but I just love the &quot;everything goes&quot; thing that is the internet. Its beautiful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding my input and your answer abow:<br />
Good thing Google isn&#8217;t a country then. And just because your country have restriction on freedom of speech doesn&#8217;t meen it should be that way.</p>
<p>At any rate, I hope that the internet will be a place for all people to say whatever they want. Never before in human history have we had the possibility to study ourself as humans in this way &#8211; when ideas are not restricted/censored. </p>
<p>For all we know, suicide might be the right thing for somebody, I don&#8217;t think so! But who am I to decide how other should live their lives?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for my wired stance, but I just love the &#8220;everything goes&#8221; thing that is the internet. Its beautiful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/02/12/90-day-jane-and-suicide/comment-page-2/#comment-420500</link>
		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for finding that; we&#039;ve removed the fake link.</description>
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		<title>By: Iain Strachan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain Strachan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j-friend noted that jane&#039;s blog had been moved to a different web-site.

I think this &quot;move&quot; may not be the original author&#039;s doing, because I followed the link.  While all the text is set up correctly, both the video clips , when clicked show an &quot;error&quot; saying that a new driver is needed to play the video.  It then downloads a &quot;player&quot; which if you attempt to install, displays streaming pornography on your screen.  I suspect that the porno promoters are using a fake copy of the blog to promote their material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j-friend noted that jane&#8217;s blog had been moved to a different web-site.</p>
<p>I think this &#8220;move&#8221; may not be the original author&#8217;s doing, because I followed the link.  While all the text is set up correctly, both the video clips , when clicked show an &#8220;error&#8221; saying that a new driver is needed to play the video.  It then downloads a &#8220;player&#8221; which if you attempt to install, displays streaming pornography on your screen.  I suspect that the porno promoters are using a fake copy of the blog to promote their material.</p>
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		<title>By: W Rimbaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>W Rimbaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was obvious it was fake from the start. But there&#039;s a really sad element to this that everyone is missing. If it is indeed an art piece, then why on earth is she quitting? Surely the artistic thing to do would be to see the project through to it&#039;s final conclusion, whatever that may be. Because she didn&#039;t have the spine to continue, the whole thing doesn&#039;t work on any level. We&#039;re not dealing with a potential suicide here, we&#039;re dealing with a coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was obvious it was fake from the start. But there&#8217;s a really sad element to this that everyone is missing. If it is indeed an art piece, then why on earth is she quitting? Surely the artistic thing to do would be to see the project through to it&#8217;s final conclusion, whatever that may be. Because she didn&#8217;t have the spine to continue, the whole thing doesn&#8217;t work on any level. We&#8217;re not dealing with a potential suicide here, we&#8217;re dealing with a coward.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Hymes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Hymes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very disturbed by a woman blogger months ago who posted my blog posts on the side of her blog and said she was going to kill herself in such a way that I would get one of her kidneys.  I told her no way, it&#039;s illegal, leave me out of it etc. but she didn&#039;t stop.  So I ignored her after that and continue to, don&#039;t know if she&#039;s still at it or not, but I do think there is some line at which one should exercise some responsibility towards others when posting.  I believe in free speech, and I don&#039;t want to see censorship of blogs, but I would like to see people exercise good judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very disturbed by a woman blogger months ago who posted my blog posts on the side of her blog and said she was going to kill herself in such a way that I would get one of her kidneys.  I told her no way, it&#8217;s illegal, leave me out of it etc. but she didn&#8217;t stop.  So I ignored her after that and continue to, don&#8217;t know if she&#8217;s still at it or not, but I do think there is some line at which one should exercise some responsibility towards others when posting.  I believe in free speech, and I don&#8217;t want to see censorship of blogs, but I would like to see people exercise good judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandra_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexandra_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...  She says it was an &#039;art project&#039; now...  But I (for one) wonder what would inspire someone to engage in that kind of art project.  It sounded to me like she really identified with this person who planned to take their life and ended up taking it.  That what struck her the most was that this person made it known that she planned on taking her life and that nobody tried to stop her.  Maybe...  Nobody took her seriously.  Maybe...  Everyone went &#039;nobody who plans suicide in advance like that would actually do it!&#039;

I&#039;m aware that suicide contaigon is a documented phenomena.  I&#039;m wondering about the ethics of promoting (publicising, making others aware of, helping others find) information where it is known that that information makes it more likely that other people will kill themself.  But then perhaps you knew that the story had a happy ending when you told people about the blog...

I guess I&#039;m wondering...  If people hadn&#039;t expressed concern for her...  If people hadn&#039;t expressed concern about her alledged plans...  Then...  Would she have suicided after all?

All I&#039;m saying is that we don&#039;t know.  We know that people said they cared and that now she is alive calling her blog an &#039;art project&#039;.  But then we also know that often people feel embarrassed and ashamed about feeling suicidal when they later make the decision not to.  An &#039;art project&#039; maybe...  But sometimes fact and fiction can blend in funny ways...  I guess I&#039;m just saying that I wouldn&#039;t be too quick to write her off as &#039;attention seeking&#039; or whatever.  And...  Sometimes people do plan suicide in advance and then do it.  There are probably more plans than suicides to be sure but when the only way to judge &#039;seriousness&#039; is on the basis of whether a person succeeds in suiciding or not...  IMHO that can be a little dangerous..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;  She says it was an &#8216;art project&#8217; now&#8230;  But I (for one) wonder what would inspire someone to engage in that kind of art project.  It sounded to me like she really identified with this person who planned to take their life and ended up taking it.  That what struck her the most was that this person made it known that she planned on taking her life and that nobody tried to stop her.  Maybe&#8230;  Nobody took her seriously.  Maybe&#8230;  Everyone went &#8216;nobody who plans suicide in advance like that would actually do it!&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware that suicide contaigon is a documented phenomena.  I&#8217;m wondering about the ethics of promoting (publicising, making others aware of, helping others find) information where it is known that that information makes it more likely that other people will kill themself.  But then perhaps you knew that the story had a happy ending when you told people about the blog&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m wondering&#8230;  If people hadn&#8217;t expressed concern for her&#8230;  If people hadn&#8217;t expressed concern about her alledged plans&#8230;  Then&#8230;  Would she have suicided after all?</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that we don&#8217;t know.  We know that people said they cared and that now she is alive calling her blog an &#8216;art project&#8217;.  But then we also know that often people feel embarrassed and ashamed about feeling suicidal when they later make the decision not to.  An &#8216;art project&#8217; maybe&#8230;  But sometimes fact and fiction can blend in funny ways&#8230;  I guess I&#8217;m just saying that I wouldn&#8217;t be too quick to write her off as &#8216;attention seeking&#8217; or whatever.  And&#8230;  Sometimes people do plan suicide in advance and then do it.  There are probably more plans than suicides to be sure but when the only way to judge &#8216;seriousness&#8217; is on the basis of whether a person succeeds in suiciding or not&#8230;  IMHO that can be a little dangerous..</p>
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		<title>By: wetcnt</title>
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		<dc:creator>wetcnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every human being has the right to end their own life. To force someone to continue living against their will is a human rights violation. I am in favor of allowing any adult to end their lives easily and painlessly, without causing physical danger to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every human being has the right to end their own life. To force someone to continue living against their will is a human rights violation. I am in favor of allowing any adult to end their lives easily and painlessly, without causing physical danger to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her revelation proved my point--she was inauthentic, and therefore less likely to inspire copycats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her revelation proved my point&#8211;she was inauthentic, and therefore less likely to inspire copycats.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public health is hardly &quot;dubious,&quot; when it&#039;s a well-documented effect in the research. Publicize a pop-suicide, others follow suit. 

The fact that this was not, in fact, a person who was suicidal, but someone who was conducting an art project, kind of begs the question -- why not just label it as &quot;Art project&quot; somewhere on the site. 

When you walk into a museum and see a modern installation, you know it&#039;s meant as &quot;art,&quot; regardless of whether you agree with it. When you are confronted with it online and the artist makes it purposely vague, you&#039;re going to get exactly the kinds of reactions this person received, ranging from disgust and anger, to heartbreak and caring. 

I guess that was a part of her point, to show herself (us? others?) the range of human emotion. 

I don&#039;t know whether it was successful or not, but it certainly created controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public health is hardly &#8220;dubious,&#8221; when it&#8217;s a well-documented effect in the research. Publicize a pop-suicide, others follow suit. </p>
<p>The fact that this was not, in fact, a person who was suicidal, but someone who was conducting an art project, kind of begs the question &#8212; why not just label it as &#8220;Art project&#8221; somewhere on the site. </p>
<p>When you walk into a museum and see a modern installation, you know it&#8217;s meant as &#8220;art,&#8221; regardless of whether you agree with it. When you are confronted with it online and the artist makes it purposely vague, you&#8217;re going to get exactly the kinds of reactions this person received, ranging from disgust and anger, to heartbreak and caring. </p>
<p>I guess that was a part of her point, to show herself (us? others?) the range of human emotion. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether it was successful or not, but it certainly created controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: alexandra_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexandra_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that you are concerned about suicide contaigon effect if the blog were to be made more public and then...  Help publicise it by providing information and telling people to &#039;google it&#039; if they are interested.

It sounds as though this person WAS responsive to the concerned readers who contacted her.  She explained what she was doing...  I&#039;m not sure that we should proclaim her project a failure...  One thing she found was that people DID SOMETHING.  They cared.  She received responses from people who were concerned that she might take her life.

I guess it is hard to say whether she really had the intention to follow through - or whether she never did.  Such facts are inaccessible (to us and to her) now.  It might be that caring responses helped this person.  You might find it hard to believe that a person would plan a death so much in advance and then actually follow through with it...  But if she had have followed through with it you would have become one of those who heard her cries for help and...  Justified your non-intervention by labelling her &#039;not serious&#039; and &#039;attention seeking&#039; and so on.

I think that the issue of suicide contagion is interesting when it comes to internet message boards and informing people when it is known that someone who was a part of the community there has passed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that you are concerned about suicide contaigon effect if the blog were to be made more public and then&#8230;  Help publicise it by providing information and telling people to &#8216;google it&#8217; if they are interested.</p>
<p>It sounds as though this person WAS responsive to the concerned readers who contacted her.  She explained what she was doing&#8230;  I&#8217;m not sure that we should proclaim her project a failure&#8230;  One thing she found was that people DID SOMETHING.  They cared.  She received responses from people who were concerned that she might take her life.</p>
<p>I guess it is hard to say whether she really had the intention to follow through &#8211; or whether she never did.  Such facts are inaccessible (to us and to her) now.  It might be that caring responses helped this person.  You might find it hard to believe that a person would plan a death so much in advance and then actually follow through with it&#8230;  But if she had have followed through with it you would have become one of those who heard her cries for help and&#8230;  Justified your non-intervention by labelling her &#8216;not serious&#8217; and &#8216;attention seeking&#8217; and so on.</p>
<p>I think that the issue of suicide contagion is interesting when it comes to internet message boards and informing people when it is known that someone who was a part of the community there has passed on.</p>
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