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	<title>Comments on: Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online Community</title>
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		<title>By: Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online &#8230;dark post quoting Marilyn Manson lyrics on &#8230; like blaming the newspaper for bringing me bad news. &#8230; Toxicity, Online Community, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online &#8230;dark post quoting Marilyn Manson lyrics on &#8230; like blaming the newspaper for bringing me bad news. &#8230; Toxicity, Online Community, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you didn&#039;t have a background in psychology because you didn&#039;t mention it in your profile on your website. Usually if one is going to be writing about a topic from an expertise perspective, they mention if they&#039;re writing from an interested and curious individual perspective, or from a professional perspective, that&#039;s all. 

I just think that, in hindsight, so much of the world looks &quot;obvious&quot; to us. But it&#039;s also used as a way to second guess our decisions in the face of the imperfect information we almost always have at the time of an incident.

As an expert in online communities then, you know how *none* of this is black and white and as clear-cut as it may look in hindsight. We can&#039;t know people&#039;s real intentions no matter what their words. Psychologists even in real-world, face-to-face situations are *horrible* (e.g., no better than chance) at predicting a person&#039;s future behaviors. 

In terms of managing someone who&#039;s behaving irrationally, I don&#039;t know... That&#039;s all of us from time to time in our lives. Should the police be called everytime someone acts &quot;irrationally&quot;? And who&#039;s to make that judgment call about what&#039;s irrational? Slippery slope and all that.

Sorry for the misattribution, I was reading it as it was originally quoted in your article and I&#039;ve edited my entry to reflect that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you didn&#8217;t have a background in psychology because you didn&#8217;t mention it in your profile on your website. Usually if one is going to be writing about a topic from an expertise perspective, they mention if they&#8217;re writing from an interested and curious individual perspective, or from a professional perspective, that&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>I just think that, in hindsight, so much of the world looks &#8220;obvious&#8221; to us. But it&#8217;s also used as a way to second guess our decisions in the face of the imperfect information we almost always have at the time of an incident.</p>
<p>As an expert in online communities then, you know how *none* of this is black and white and as clear-cut as it may look in hindsight. We can&#8217;t know people&#8217;s real intentions no matter what their words. Psychologists even in real-world, face-to-face situations are *horrible* (e.g., no better than chance) at predicting a person&#8217;s future behaviors. </p>
<p>In terms of managing someone who&#8217;s behaving irrationally, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; That&#8217;s all of us from time to time in our lives. Should the police be called everytime someone acts &#8220;irrationally&#8221;? And who&#8217;s to make that judgment call about what&#8217;s irrational? Slippery slope and all that.</p>
<p>Sorry for the misattribution, I was reading it as it was originally quoted in your article and I&#8217;ve edited my entry to reflect that.</p>
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		<title>By: odd time signatures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pissy Psychology</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/12/13/playing-armchair-psychologist-with-matthew-murray-and-online-community/comment-page-1/#comment-365207</link>
		<dc:creator>odd time signatures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pissy Psychology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Grohol took exception to my analysis of Matthew Murray&#8217;s online postings. Just for the record, my formal education is in psychology, though I opted for an entirely different career after a post-Vietnam internship at a local VA hospital. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John Grohol took exception to my analysis of Matthew Murray&#8217;s online postings. Just for the record, my formal education is in psychology, though I opted for an entirely different career after a post-Vietnam internship at a local VA hospital. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you so sure I don&#039;t have background in this field? It is not my profession, that&#039;s true.  But I do have educational background in it as well as practical experience.  In fact, it was the internship that convinced me I had chosen the wrong field.

And yes, the money comment was Matthew Murray&#039;s, not mine.  I don&#039;t agree with him at all, and submit that the irrational bias in that remark is just another pointer to the spiral he was in.

At any rate, I am an expert in online communities after 12 years of managing them.  The questions I posed specifically related to the age-old question of how to manage someone who is clearly irrational when the venue is electronic with distance and identity barriers.  Sorry if you read it as anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so sure I don&#8217;t have background in this field? It is not my profession, that&#8217;s true.  But I do have educational background in it as well as practical experience.  In fact, it was the internship that convinced me I had chosen the wrong field.</p>
<p>And yes, the money comment was Matthew Murray&#8217;s, not mine.  I don&#8217;t agree with him at all, and submit that the irrational bias in that remark is just another pointer to the spiral he was in.</p>
<p>At any rate, I am an expert in online communities after 12 years of managing them.  The questions I posed specifically related to the age-old question of how to manage someone who is clearly irrational when the venue is electronic with distance and identity barriers.  Sorry if you read it as anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninja Pirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninja Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That original article didn&#039;t blockquote correctly.

&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;
it’s so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and “work with you through your pain” when there’s money involved……
&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

Matthew Murray, the shooter, was the one that originally said that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That original article didn&#8217;t blockquote correctly.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"<br />
it’s so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and “work with you through your pain” when there’s money involved……<br />
&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"</p>
<p>Matthew Murray, the shooter, was the one that originally said that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christian &#187; Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online Community</title>
		<link>http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/12/13/playing-armchair-psychologist-with-matthew-murray-and-online-community/comment-page-1/#comment-364587</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian &#187; Playing Armchair Psychologist with Matthew Murray and Online Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Finkelstein wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptSo when Karoli, aka DrumsNWhistles, writes about the motivations and behaviors she observed after-the-fact in Matthew Murray, my warning bells start to sound. She discovered that Matthew Murray, the man who killed four people at a &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mark Finkelstein wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptSo when Karoli, aka DrumsNWhistles, writes about the motivations and behaviors she observed after-the-fact in Matthew Murray, my warning bells start to sound. She discovered that Matthew Murray, the man who killed four people at a &#8230; [...]</p>
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