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		<title>By: Athirson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social anxiety has always existed.  I&#039;m 49 and still struggle with it.  It isn&#039;t new.

What is new is that the mental health industry has figured out a way to make money off it, so now they are diagnosing it in far greater numbers.  In the old days there was nothing they could do.  They could only milk patients and their health insurers/govt. payers for so long.  And no Carlos, CBT doesn&#039;t work.  10 years of it got me nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social anxiety has always existed.  I&#8217;m 49 and still struggle with it.  It isn&#8217;t new.</p>
<p>What is new is that the mental health industry has figured out a way to make money off it, so now they are diagnosing it in far greater numbers.  In the old days there was nothing they could do.  They could only milk patients and their health insurers/govt. payers for so long.  And no Carlos, CBT doesn&#8217;t work.  10 years of it got me nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe! The best treatment for Social Anxiety Disorder is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. As for medication, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI) like paxil, zoloft and celexa, are the first line of drugs used for SAD. If you want to learn more, check out these two sites:

http://www.psychology.sunysb.edu/eklonsky-/division12/treatments/socialphobia_cbt.html

bit.ly/N8Nmv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe! The best treatment for Social Anxiety Disorder is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. As for medication, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI) like paxil, zoloft and celexa, are the first line of drugs used for SAD. If you want to learn more, check out these two sites:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psychology.sunysb.edu/eklonsky-/division12/treatments/socialphobia_cbt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychology.sunysb.edu/eklonsky-/division12/treatments/socialphobia_cbt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i, being a sufferer of SAD, am tired of scouring the internet and finding sales pitches for &quot;cures&quot; to social anxiety. from beta blockers to hypnosis and even surgery!! its rediculous and discouraging to find that theirs almost no help for such a serious and socially crippling disorder. i just want to know how to relieve such overwelming symptoms so i can get on with my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i, being a sufferer of SAD, am tired of scouring the internet and finding sales pitches for &#8220;cures&#8221; to social anxiety. from beta blockers to hypnosis and even surgery!! its rediculous and discouraging to find that theirs almost no help for such a serious and socially crippling disorder. i just want to know how to relieve such overwelming symptoms so i can get on with my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I don&#039;t get this article at all. Are you denying that social anxiety disorder exists?

While all of these names for anxiety disorders are stupid, it does not invalidate the fact that some people cannot deal with anxiety-provoking situations in the same way as the general population. People with SAD very often develop other anxiety disorders which hopefully these ignorant medical professionals take a little more seriously (eg. OCD) due to there seemingly less ordinary nature. The ironic thing is that they all stem from the same problem.

Seriously, do any of you know what you are talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I don&#8217;t get this article at all. Are you denying that social anxiety disorder exists?</p>
<p>While all of these names for anxiety disorders are stupid, it does not invalidate the fact that some people cannot deal with anxiety-provoking situations in the same way as the general population. People with SAD very often develop other anxiety disorders which hopefully these ignorant medical professionals take a little more seriously (eg. OCD) due to there seemingly less ordinary nature. The ironic thing is that they all stem from the same problem.</p>
<p>Seriously, do any of you know what you are talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Vin regarding adrenal fatigue and bio-identical hormones. I think this will soon become a main focus for the treatment of social phobia....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Vin regarding adrenal fatigue and bio-identical hormones. I think this will soon become a main focus for the treatment of social phobia&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Panic Attacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panic Attacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Grohol:  I read your piece &quot;Changing The Treatment Conversation&quot; and I agree with you completely.  It&#039;s really sad that in today&#039;s fast-paced world people are so impatient that they&#039;ll throw caution to the wind and gamble their health on a quick fix - despite the consequences.  

Great work.  Thanks for your viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Grohol:  I read your piece &#8220;Changing The Treatment Conversation&#8221; and I agree with you completely.  It&#8217;s really sad that in today&#8217;s fast-paced world people are so impatient that they&#8217;ll throw caution to the wind and gamble their health on a quick fix &#8211; despite the consequences.  </p>
<p>Great work.  Thanks for your viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: david townend</title>
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		<dc:creator>david townend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>52 years old male with mental illess has great trouble relating to female</description>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda knew there would be nothing new 
in this article much less an actual cure.

A simple question comes to mind. Does secondary 
adrenal fatigue and social anxiety have
any linkage. Is it me or am I being simplistic
when I link social anxiety to lowered
cortisol, epinephrine and seritonin counts?
Is malabsorbtion a contributing factor. 
Are bio-identical hormones and nutrients the actual cure for social anxiety?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda knew there would be nothing new<br />
in this article much less an actual cure.</p>
<p>A simple question comes to mind. Does secondary<br />
adrenal fatigue and social anxiety have<br />
any linkage. Is it me or am I being simplistic<br />
when I link social anxiety to lowered<br />
cortisol, epinephrine and seritonin counts?<br />
Is malabsorbtion a contributing factor.<br />
Are bio-identical hormones and nutrients the actual cure for social anxiety?</p>
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		<title>By: Panic Attacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panic Attacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lane also talks about how powerful psychiatric medications are prescribed to children far too easily in today’s society, with rarely a thought to the fact that many lack FDA approval for child prescriptions, or significant, large-scale studies that support their use for a specific disorder.&quot;  

That statement should be an alarming wake up call to parents everwhere.  Scary, scary stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lane also talks about how powerful psychiatric medications are prescribed to children far too easily in today’s society, with rarely a thought to the fact that many lack FDA approval for child prescriptions, or significant, large-scale studies that support their use for a specific disorder.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That statement should be an alarming wake up call to parents everwhere.  Scary, scary stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Anxiety Disorder &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Anxiety Disorder and Its Cure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anxiety Disorder &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Anxiety Disorder and Its Cure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Anxiety Disorder and Its CureSocial anxiety disorder (technically known as social phobia) is one of those disorders that wasn’t diagnosed very often a decade or so ago. Occasionally you would see a patient with this disorder, but it was very, very rare. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Social Anxiety Disorder and Its CureSocial anxiety disorder (technically known as social phobia) is one of those disorders that wasn’t diagnosed very often a decade or so ago. Occasionally you would see a patient with this disorder, but it was very, very rare. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>qzconnect &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Social Anxiety Disorder and Its Cure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trauma &#171; Only Crook in Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trauma &#171; Only Crook in Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have social phobia, which might be a fake diagnosis, but basically means that I do not play well with others.  Since I have brothers, I tend to get along fairly well with guys.  Since I have two technologically apt brothers, I also tend to get along fairly well with technicians and computer geeks.   I learned about computers so that I could talk to my brothers, since all they talked about from roughly 1978 on were computers.  In the early 80s, I took courses in Basic and Pascal programming from my brother.  I took a course in MS_DOS.  I learned 5 different word processors in the early days, from Wordstar (my personal favorite then) to Word Perfect (which I hated) and I taught them to others.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have social phobia, which might be a fake diagnosis, but basically means that I do not play well with others.  Since I have brothers, I tend to get along fairly well with guys.  Since I have two technologically apt brothers, I also tend to get along fairly well with technicians and computer geeks.   I learned about computers so that I could talk to my brothers, since all they talked about from roughly 1978 on were computers.  In the early 80s, I took courses in Basic and Pascal programming from my brother.  I took a course in MS_DOS.  I learned 5 different word processors in the early days, from Wordstar (my personal favorite then) to Word Perfect (which I hated) and I taught them to others.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alexandra_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexandra_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The similarity between the DSM and ICD isn&#039;t due to their independently hitting upon the way the world is, rather, it reflects something along the lines of &#039;truth by consensus&#039;.  The DSM and ICD are careful to stay fairly much in synch, to the advantage of both.

There are indeed some really good examples of how the DSM is driven by political agenda rather than by science.  One is (as was noted) the removal of homosexuality from the DSM in response to lobby group pressure.  Another was the introduction of PTSD due to lobby group pressure from war vets.  Another was the introduction of panic disorder as a disorder in its own right after the development of some drug for it (sorry but I forget which one).  

Sometimes disorders are differentiated on the basis of finding a treatment for them.  Neurosyphilis was carved off from Schizophrenia with the development of anti-biotics that worked for a subset of people with Schizophrenia (those with Neurosyphilis, basically).  Since we have now discovered the spirochette that results in syphilis that is further support for the idea that it is a distict disorder from Schizophrenia, however.

Social phobia is indeed really controversial.  Some people regard it to be &#039;pathologising shyness&#039;.  It draws attention to the rather problematic boundary between &#039;mentally disordered&#039; and &#039;not mentally disordered&#039; and it is unclear what we should say about it.  Of course people with social phobia suffer - but not ALL cases of suffering are mental disorders.  To say that social phobia isn&#039;t a mental disorder isn&#039;t to undermine or invalidate the suffering of the people who have been diagnosed with it - it is just to say that it doesn&#039;t constitute a kind of condition that should be in the DSM / ICD.

I&#039;d just like to say...  That it is controversial whether people with more traditionally &#039;biological&#039; disorders should be so quick to jump to medications as a first port of call either.  If you want to teach someone to cook you will have more luck with environmental interventions (teaching them how) than with psychosurgery or medication yet of course neurological changes are required in order to teach a person how to cook.  Similarly, I&#039;m sure nobody denies that social phobia has a neurological basis.  The million dollar question is how we are best to treat the people who we currently diagnose as being socially anxious.  And...  Whether social phobia is a distinct disorder in its own right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The similarity between the DSM and ICD isn&#8217;t due to their independently hitting upon the way the world is, rather, it reflects something along the lines of &#8216;truth by consensus&#8217;.  The DSM and ICD are careful to stay fairly much in synch, to the advantage of both.</p>
<p>There are indeed some really good examples of how the DSM is driven by political agenda rather than by science.  One is (as was noted) the removal of homosexuality from the DSM in response to lobby group pressure.  Another was the introduction of PTSD due to lobby group pressure from war vets.  Another was the introduction of panic disorder as a disorder in its own right after the development of some drug for it (sorry but I forget which one).  </p>
<p>Sometimes disorders are differentiated on the basis of finding a treatment for them.  Neurosyphilis was carved off from Schizophrenia with the development of anti-biotics that worked for a subset of people with Schizophrenia (those with Neurosyphilis, basically).  Since we have now discovered the spirochette that results in syphilis that is further support for the idea that it is a distict disorder from Schizophrenia, however.</p>
<p>Social phobia is indeed really controversial.  Some people regard it to be &#8216;pathologising shyness&#8217;.  It draws attention to the rather problematic boundary between &#8216;mentally disordered&#8217; and &#8216;not mentally disordered&#8217; and it is unclear what we should say about it.  Of course people with social phobia suffer &#8211; but not ALL cases of suffering are mental disorders.  To say that social phobia isn&#8217;t a mental disorder isn&#8217;t to undermine or invalidate the suffering of the people who have been diagnosed with it &#8211; it is just to say that it doesn&#8217;t constitute a kind of condition that should be in the DSM / ICD.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to say&#8230;  That it is controversial whether people with more traditionally &#8216;biological&#8217; disorders should be so quick to jump to medications as a first port of call either.  If you want to teach someone to cook you will have more luck with environmental interventions (teaching them how) than with psychosurgery or medication yet of course neurological changes are required in order to teach a person how to cook.  Similarly, I&#8217;m sure nobody denies that social phobia has a neurological basis.  The million dollar question is how we are best to treat the people who we currently diagnose as being socially anxious.  And&#8230;  Whether social phobia is a distinct disorder in its own right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social phobia doesn&#039;t mean a lot to me, although it is my official diagnosis.  I didn&#039;t accept the diagnosis of &quot;anxiety&quot; either because to me, it&#039;s feels like fear.  You can drive yourself crazy trying to prove to a psychologist that you have a particular disorder.  I have OCD.  No you don&#039;t--you&#039;ve never mentioned it before. I have agoraphobia.  You don&#039;t have panic attacks, so it doesn&#039;t count.  That&#039;s the danger of diagnosis with the DSM-IV.  The value of diagnosis (including self-diagnosis--after all, I&#039;m inside this head, not you) is that by classifying yourself, you can more easily get help (although I&#039;m no longer trying).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social phobia doesn&#8217;t mean a lot to me, although it is my official diagnosis.  I didn&#8217;t accept the diagnosis of &#8220;anxiety&#8221; either because to me, it&#8217;s feels like fear.  You can drive yourself crazy trying to prove to a psychologist that you have a particular disorder.  I have OCD.  No you don&#8217;t&#8211;you&#8217;ve never mentioned it before. I have agoraphobia.  You don&#8217;t have panic attacks, so it doesn&#8217;t count.  That&#8217;s the danger of diagnosis with the DSM-IV.  The value of diagnosis (including self-diagnosis&#8211;after all, I&#8217;m inside this head, not you) is that by classifying yourself, you can more easily get help (although I&#8217;m no longer trying).</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Grohol, Psy.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how to respond to the &quot;oddly opinionated&quot; comment. Sometimes I am, indeed, oddly opinionated.

I also never meant to insinuate, if indeed you got that I did, that medications aren&#039;t and couldn&#039;t be extremely helpful. Only that the research clearly shows that non-medication treatments are also extremely helpful for this disorder.

As for the brain disorder theory of &quot;chemical imbalance,&quot; that&#039;s been largely refuted in recent years. The research shows that mental disorders are far more complex than a simple or single neurochemical being &quot;out of balance&quot; in the brain.

Which isn&#039;t to say that the brain isn&#039;t implicated in some manner in this and other disorders. Just that what those roots are is still very much up in the air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how to respond to the &#8220;oddly opinionated&#8221; comment. Sometimes I am, indeed, oddly opinionated.</p>
<p>I also never meant to insinuate, if indeed you got that I did, that medications aren&#8217;t and couldn&#8217;t be extremely helpful. Only that the research clearly shows that non-medication treatments are also extremely helpful for this disorder.</p>
<p>As for the brain disorder theory of &#8220;chemical imbalance,&#8221; that&#8217;s been largely refuted in recent years. The research shows that mental disorders are far more complex than a simple or single neurochemical being &#8220;out of balance&#8221; in the brain.</p>
<p>Which isn&#8217;t to say that the brain isn&#8217;t implicated in some manner in this and other disorders. Just that what those roots are is still very much up in the air.</p>
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